[PocoYoco hunter]

I know this topic has been discussed a great deal, but I wanted to look into the physics behind the difference. This is what I came up with

Product	Shot Size	pellets/oz	oz/pellet	grains/pellet	Velocity	Energy ft-lbs
TSS	7.5	220	0.07	31.82	1200	101.72
TSS	9	362	0.04	19.34	1200	61.82
Lead	4	135	0.12	51.85	1200	165.77
Lead	5	172	0.09	40.70	1200	130.11
Lead	6	225	0.07	31.11	1200	99.46

I pulled load information from Apex and Winchester Longbeard XR

 

[Goosehunter]

What really stands out is the pellets/oz number.

 

[43428]

and, improved penetration with smaller shot, not to mention hardness and as mentioned pellets per ounce meaning most likely instead of 1 hit you get 3+ meaning additive realized energy

 

[43428]

I think the reason many of us use TSS, is pretty much the same reason the lead disciples don't switch to steel

 

[rugered]

Energy number is kind of meaningless. A 2 oz load traveling at 1200 fps has the same energy whether it's lead, TSS, stones or feathers.

 

[mfuff]

I know this topic has been discussed a great deal, but I wanted to look into the physics behind the difference. This is what I came up with

Product	Shot Size	pellets/oz	oz/pellet	grains/pellet	Velocity	Energy ft-lbs
TSS	7.5	220	0.07	31.82	1200	101.72
TSS	9	362	0.04	19.34	1200	61.82
Lead	4	135	0.12	51.85	1200	165.77
Lead	5	172	0.09	40.70	1200	130.11
Lead	6	225	0.07	31.11	1200	99.46

I pulled load information from Apex and Winchester Longbeard XR

The grains/pellet is not accurate if that stands for grains per pellet.
Is the energy ft/lbs representing per pellet?

 

[mfuff]

Energy number is kind of meaningless. A 2 oz load traveling at 1200 fps has the same energy whether it's lead, TSS, stones or feathers.

The individual pellet energy is more important than the payload energy.

 

[rugered]

The grains/pellet is not accurate if that stands for grains per pellet.
Is the energy ft/lbs representing per pellet?

The grains per pellet calculated out to the oz per pellet. 7000 gr/lb and 16 oz/lb.

 

[rugered]

The individual pellet energy is more important than the payload energy.

I agree. I would like to see downrange velocity. The TSS seems to hit harder at 30 yards and out. I guess the combination of being smaller and more dense must help it fly better.

 

[mfuff]

The grains per pellet calculated out to the oz per pellet. 7000 gr/lb and 16 oz/lb.

The chart shows a category for grains/pellet. It is showing 19.34 for a #9 TSS.
What is that chart meaning by that?

 

[Wingatchtochwilsit]

I know this topic has been discussed a great deal, but I wanted to look into the physics behind the difference. This is what I came up with

Product	Shot Size	pellets/oz	oz/pellet	grains/pellet	Velocity	Energy ft-lbs
TSS	7.5	220	0.07	31.82	1200	101.72
TSS	9	362	0.04	19.34	1200	61.82
Lead	4	135	0.12	51.85	1200	165.77
Lead	5	172	0.09	40.70	1200	130.11
Lead	6	225	0.07	31.11	1200	99.46

I pulled load information from Apex and Winchester Longbeard XR

Your grains per pellet are way off.
one ounce is 437.5 grains.
362 pellets per ounce would be 1.21 grains per pellet.
172 pellets per ounce would be 2.54 grains per pellet.
Edit - you oz/pellet is wrong as well.
Makes me question the rest of your numbers….

 

[43428]

Let’s see the chart that compares a 7.5 tss vs 7.5 lead

I cant believe this is even a debate

 

[Wingatchtochwilsit]

Your grains per pellet are way off.
one ounce is 437.5 grains.
362 pellets per ounce would be 1.21 grains per pellet.
172 pellets per ounce would be 2.54 grains per pellet.
Edit - you oz/pellet is wrong as well.
Makes me question the rest of your numbers….

FWIW a 1.21gr pellet at 1200 fps has 3.87ft-lbs energy.

 

[mfuff]

FWIW a 1.21gr pellet at 1200 fps has 3.87ft-lbs energy.

Correct

 

[elk yinzer]

I'm sold, where can I find the the cheapest tungsten dove loads?

I find it an interesting debate. It's largely a referendum on certain purity aspects of turkey hunting namely getting birds in close because inside 30 yards it's a moot point. The cost argument to me is kinda silly at turkey volumes, but if you extend that to other birds, then? Turkeys are just big dumb birds. It has a few different ethical dilemmas built into that whole social side of it.

But facts are facts and it is the good shiz and can kill a lot of things at ranges lead simply cannot. Crossbows of the turkey woods if you will.

 

[Fairchild #17]

If there's x number of pellets per ounce, you simple divide 1 by that number to find out how many ounces each one weighs.
Your numbers are completely out of whack.

 

[mauser06]

I'm sold, where can I find the the cheapest tungsten dove loads?

I find it an interesting debate. It's largely a referendum on certain purity aspects of turkey hunting namely getting birds in close because inside 30 yards it's a moot point. The cost argument to me is kinda silly at turkey volumes, but if you extend that to other birds, then? Turkeys are just big dumb birds. It has a few different ethical dilemmas built into that whole social side of it.

But facts are facts and it is the good shiz and can kill a lot of things at ranges lead simply cannot. Crossbows of the turkey woods if you will.

You'd be surprised....hard-core waterfowlers are shooting it...or TSS blended with steel or maybe bismuth or hevishot....just for the effectiveness. Heck of a lot easier to drop a duck when you have 5x the pellets in the air to to the job. The pellet count in some of the steel loads is pretty dang low. If you can wingshoot well, and that's your passion...I can see it being worthwhile for sure. I much rather send my dog on a retrieve than have him glare at me for sky busting. Lol.

 

[6-DASHER]

...stop encouraging change and showing facts..it's hard enough to find and absolutely ridiculously priced to need more people competing for the stock....please stay with your WW LongBeards, there a great shell..as good as copper will ever be.

 

[Whaler]

Everyone knows TSS is better. Is it worth close to $10 bucks a pop? Most of the time it probably isn't. You would kill them just as dead with lead. I actually see more advantage using TSS for ducks and geese than turkey but I'm too cheap for that. Steel shot really blows. I'm using TSS now for turkey because if I'm lucky I'll get 2 shots a season. I've done very well with the TSS but I use to do well with lead too.

 

[Wingatchtochwilsit]

Everyone knows TSS is better. Is it worth close to $10 bucks a pop? Most of the time it probably isn't. You would kill them just as dead with lead. I actually see more advantage using TSS for ducks and geese than turkey but I'm too cheap for that. Steel shot really blows. I'm using TSS now for turkey because if I'm lucky I'll get 2 shots a season. I've done very well with the TSS but I use to do well with lead too.

That's exactly it..
It all comes down to an individual choice of "Is the juice worth the squeeze?"
I know for me it sure isn't.