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I know this topic has been discussed a great deal, but I wanted to look into the physics behind the difference. This is what I came up with

ProductShot Sizepellets/ozoz/pelletgrains/pelletVelocityEnergy ft-lbs
TSS7.52200.0731.821200101.72
TSS93620.0419.34120061.82
Lead41350.1251.851200165.77
Lead51720.0940.701200130.11
Lead62250.0731.11120099.46

I pulled load information from Apex and Winchester Longbeard XR
 
and, improved penetration with smaller shot, not to mention hardness and as mentioned pellets per ounce meaning most likely instead of 1 hit you get 3+ meaning additive realized energy
 
I know this topic has been discussed a great deal, but I wanted to look into the physics behind the difference. This is what I came up with

ProductShot Sizepellets/ozoz/pelletgrains/pelletVelocityEnergy ft-lbs
TSS7.52200.0731.821200101.72
TSS93620.0419.34120061.82
Lead41350.1251.851200165.77
Lead51720.0940.701200130.11
Lead62250.0731.11120099.46

I pulled load information from Apex and Winchester Longbeard XR
The grains/pellet is not accurate if that stands for grains per pellet.
Is the energy ft/lbs representing per pellet?
 
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I know this topic has been discussed a great deal, but I wanted to look into the physics behind the difference. This is what I came up with

ProductShot Sizepellets/ozoz/pelletgrains/pelletVelocityEnergy ft-lbs
TSS7.52200.0731.821200101.72
TSS93620.0419.34120061.82
Lead41350.1251.851200165.77
Lead51720.0940.701200130.11
Lead62250.0731.11120099.46

I pulled load information from Apex and Winchester Longbeard XR
Your grains per pellet are way off.
one ounce is 437.5 grains.
362 pellets per ounce would be 1.21 grains per pellet.
172 pellets per ounce would be 2.54 grains per pellet.
Edit - you oz/pellet is wrong as well.
Makes me question the rest of your numbers….
 
Your grains per pellet are way off.
one ounce is 437.5 grains.
362 pellets per ounce would be 1.21 grains per pellet.
172 pellets per ounce would be 2.54 grains per pellet.
Edit - you oz/pellet is wrong as well.
Makes me question the rest of your numbers….
FWIW a 1.21gr pellet at 1200 fps has 3.87ft-lbs energy.
 
I'm sold, where can I find the the cheapest tungsten dove loads?

I find it an interesting debate. It's largely a referendum on certain purity aspects of turkey hunting namely getting birds in close because inside 30 yards it's a moot point. The cost argument to me is kinda silly at turkey volumes, but if you extend that to other birds, then? Turkeys are just big dumb birds. It has a few different ethical dilemmas built into that whole social side of it.

But facts are facts and it is the good shiz and can kill a lot of things at ranges lead simply cannot. Crossbows of the turkey woods if you will.
 
I'm sold, where can I find the the cheapest tungsten dove loads?

I find it an interesting debate. It's largely a referendum on certain purity aspects of turkey hunting namely getting birds in close because inside 30 yards it's a moot point. The cost argument to me is kinda silly at turkey volumes, but if you extend that to other birds, then? Turkeys are just big dumb birds. It has a few different ethical dilemmas built into that whole social side of it.

But facts are facts and it is the good shiz and can kill a lot of things at ranges lead simply cannot. Crossbows of the turkey woods if you will.


You'd be surprised....hard-core waterfowlers are shooting it...or TSS blended with steel or maybe bismuth or hevishot....just for the effectiveness. Heck of a lot easier to drop a duck when you have 5x the pellets in the air to to the job. The pellet count in some of the steel loads is pretty dang low. If you can wingshoot well, and that's your passion...I can see it being worthwhile for sure. I much rather send my dog on a retrieve than have him glare at me for sky busting. Lol.
 
...stop encouraging change and showing facts..it's hard enough to find and absolutely ridiculously priced to need more people competing for the stock....please stay with your WW LongBeards, there a great shell..as good as copper will ever be.
 
Everyone knows TSS is better. Is it worth close to $10 bucks a pop? Most of the time it probably isn't. You would kill them just as dead with lead. I actually see more advantage using TSS for ducks and geese than turkey but I'm too cheap for that. Steel shot really blows. I'm using TSS now for turkey because if I'm lucky I'll get 2 shots a season. I've done very well with the TSS but I use to do well with lead too.
 
Everyone knows TSS is better. Is it worth close to $10 bucks a pop? Most of the time it probably isn't. You would kill them just as dead with lead. I actually see more advantage using TSS for ducks and geese than turkey but I'm too cheap for that. Steel shot really blows. I'm using TSS now for turkey because if I'm lucky I'll get 2 shots a season. I've done very well with the TSS but I use to do well with lead too.
That's exactly it..
It all comes down to an individual choice of "Is the juice worth the squeeze?"
I know for me it sure isn't.
 
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