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I would hate to shoot a dog and probably wouldn't if I knew it was some kids dog or a neighbors dog chasing deer. But if I was hunting and could clearly see it was a bigger dog without a collar and license on it's neck and it pulled the deer down in front of me I'd probably shoot it same as I'd shoot coyote.
 
I'd hate to have to shoot a dog. I would if it was attacking a person. A deer, no, most likely not but Id try to collect the dog and turn it over to the owner with a strong suggestion of how to control the dog. I have three large dogs that live with me. All are good to voice command but I don't give them the opportunity to mess up, even though my nearest neighbor is a half mile away. I have an acre of back yard fenced in tight and in 9 years they have never got out. They don't even try. It was expensive for me but its piece of mind and they have room to run. Keeps them safe from the world and the world safe from them.
 
Dogs killing deer isn't near as bad today as it once was but it still happens. I can assure anyone who things that a couple dogs, even relatively small ones, can't run down and then drag a deer down are very much mistaken.

Deer can run faster than a dog for a short time. But, if the dog stays after them the dog is almost always going to run the deer down. Then once the deer is exhausted the dog will go for the deer's back legs until it has the deer hamstrung and unable to escape. Most of the cases of dogs running der down and killing them involve two dogs but I have also seen a number of cases where one dog alone drug a deer down.

The worst part is that actually the dogs don't normally kill the deer they just tear the hide off of it, from back to front, while they tear the hindquarters apart, often eating the hindquarters while the deer is still trying to drag its self away. In many cases the dogs never do kill the deer and just rip it apart while it is still alive and until the deer quits fighting, give up, the dogs lose interest and just leave. The deer might live for days until someone finds it and dispatches it or a coyote comes along and finally kills it.

Dogs attacking and tearing up a deer is not a pretty sight. Once dogs have done it once it all too often becomes a common spot for them and doesn't stop until at least one of the dogs is killed.

Back in the late seventies we had some real serious dog problem around this part of the state. People would get a puppy but once it turned into an adult dog they no longer wanted it. They would then take it out to the woods and dump it out to fend for its self instead of putting it down. Consequently we a number of had packs of dogs running around.

During the winters of 1977 and 1978 we had some deep snow conditions with ice on the river. That was before we had more than just a few coyotes so those dogs had nothing to control their numbers and those packs of dogs became a real problem. During the winter they would run the deer out onto the ice and simply run the deer down, attack them and hamstring them out on the river ice. We had dead and dying deer all along the river corridor. It got to the point where we would take the rifles and set up where we could watch stretches of the river, at one or another of the few places we could get access. We shot many dogs on the ice during those couple years as they ran deer out of the woods onto the frozen river. We also expended a lot of ammunition dispatching injured deer the dogs drug down and left alive on the ice during those years.

Of course the river wasn't the only place the dogs were catching deer. Most of our plowed roads also made escape routes for the deer but believe me it doesn't take the dogs long to run a deer down when the deer can't use normal escape routes and is restricted to plowed roads.

I have also shot a few dogs when they had a deer down, I believed they were local dogs and wanted to find the owner and arrest them for their dogs attacking a deer. If the dogs were just chasing a deer I never shot the dogs though I would fire a round or two in front of them to get them off the deer's trail. If I encountered a situation though where a couple dogs had a deer down and there was tracking snow on the ground I did on occasion shoot one dog then track the other dog home so I knew who the owner was and who to cite now that I had the evidence of what they had done.

In many other cases though I didn't need to kill one of the dogs to get them to lead me to their owner. In those cases I didn't kill the dogs, and preferred to just deal with the owners through the legal system.

Killing dogs should be avoided anytime it is possible control the scene without harm to the dog or dogs. But, make no mistake that dogs can be a very serious threat and cause major damage to the deer in a area once they get a taste for the chase and kill.

As for our local area our coyote populations eventually got our once dog problems under control. Even though coyotes will take fawns and even occasionally kill an adult deer, when conditions are right or the deer is injured, I never saw where the coyotes caused anything close to the damage those packs of dogs were doing before the coyote numbers reached what I consider to be a more natural carrying capacity.

Dick Bodenhorn
 
Back in the 1960's there were some large packs of wild dogs running around Indian Town Gap, just north west of Moonshine Church. After they surrounded a woman in her back yard, a group of men got a dead calf from a farmer, chained it to a tree and then sat and waited. Heard they killed enough in two days to almost fill the back of a pickup.
 
People that have never seen, or had to deal with a pack of feral dogs, seldom have a clue. Wouldn't be feral dogs, if people didn't take unwanted pets out in the country and turn them loose. And they do the same thing with litters of kittens, just affects small game and song birds, not deer.
 
I have no time for an aggressive dog. If they are attacking deer then Im sure they would attack a woman or child. I wouldn’t shoot a dog attacking a deer though. If it was attacking a person or even threatening to attack a person I wouldn’t have a problem shooting it. Hard to say without ever being in that situation. I saw a dog harassing a woman jogging one time. I stopped the truck and got out. I yelled at the dog and was willing to kick its butt if need be but it high tailed it.
 
Well, I live in the country and my dogs are unleashed on my property. They bark and chase deer sometimes. but they wont bite them, cause only my middle one can actually catch up to a deer. I think she is part gazelle. I have a Lab, a small black mix, and a baby American Bully, if someone shot one of my girlies, I would wait for the cops to leave then it would be the last thing they ever did without a wheelchair. I love my dogs more then humans. Feral dogs are one thing, but someone's pet... NOPE. Good luck deer...
 
I see no problem with that, Game Wardens are the only ones that can legally shoot dogs chasing deer, I don't think they would! You might get A#$^( chewing and fine
100 % wrong. Game Wardens are not the only one allowed to shoot a dog. I and every citizen can shoot a dog actively attacking a deer or a human or a pet. Read the law Willy I will shoot any dog attacking my pets or a deer for that matter. No attacking flesh eating dog should;d be allowed to roam and reak havoc on any game or domestic animals or people.
 
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R.S.B. is right, back in the 70's there were packs of dogs running deer down and some of the fellas around my neck of the woods shot 3 that were running deer and attacking them. Then hung them in a tree near the main road where people passing by could see with a sign saying "we will do this to all dogs killing deer". There was a write up in our local paper about it! Then pretty soon the deer killing by dogs stopped. That might have been pretty crude by today's standard but back then it got the message across.
Like I said before I'd just hate to shoot a dog but once a dog takes down a deer and gets that deer blood in it's taste buds I think it's pretty hard to stop them, there for a dog attacking and chewing on a deer I'd shoot.
 
Persistence hunting...the ability to run down prey to the point of exhaustion, overtake it, and kill it. Dogs can certainly do it. Deer and many other species that are terrific sprinters are not built for distance running.

Humans (well conditioned humans, anyhow) are capable of running down game, especially in open areas. It was a tactic employed by our ancestors....There are still primitive tribes in Africa that employ it. Man is in fact one of the best species adapted for long distance running. Probably because we developed the ability over thousands of years of chasing game...or running from enraged spouses, I'm not certain!
 
I grew up a block away from the intersection that this happened. Very residential area, stores and apartments on the corners,huge very old cemetery where deer follow the low laying creeks thru the neighborhoods. An elementary school 1/4 mile down the road. As much as I hate dogs running deer ,this was NOT a place to fire a gun. The safety factor alone should have been a priority here.
 
100 % wrong. Game Wardens are not the only one allowed to shoot a dog. I and every citizen can shoot a dog actively attacking a deer or a human or a pet. Read the law Willy I will shoot any dog attacking my pets or a deer for that matter. No attacking flesh eating dog should;d be allowed to roam and reak havoc on any game or domestic animals or people.
What about cats? One could argue that cats cause more damage to both game and non-game animals than man's best friend.
 
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