[dce]

Well, just had a fella send me pics of a deer that was shot last week and lost. Had a leashed tracking dog been available, I'm sure it would have been found. Now, a buck is dead, and the person can LEGALLY go out and shoot another buck. The meat was spoiled on the first buck and he legally can't keep the antlers, but, 2 bucks will probably die this season, when only one would have.

Leashed tracking dogs should be legal. Unfortunately, the legislators can't recognize the benefits.

I agree with you but if that guy had an ounce of ethics,that deer would have been tagged.

 

[Beartrppr]

That's where tracking dogs would keep some of these guys from breaking the law, too. How many archers kill a deer only to find it days later, cut the antlers off and walk away?

 

[dce]

I'll bet that very few guys leave the rack in the woods.If you kill a buck,you should burn your tag,plain nd simple.

Trackin dogs would be good but they aren't necessary.If you would let marginally hit deer lay down without pushing them,the vast majority would be found in short order.The vast,vast majority of fatally hit deer that go unrecovered do so because hunters push them way too soon.

 

[huntin_buck]

the way i view it, if you take the dog without any weapon and you find the deer and it doesnt go to waste then kudos to you. too many deer are shot and not recoved until its too late

 

[RayRay]

I'll bet that very few guys leave the rack in the woods.If you kill a buck,you should burn your tag,plain nd simple.

Trackin dogs would be good but they aren't necessary.If you would let marginally hit deer lay down without pushing them,the vast majority would be found in short order.The vast,vast majority of fatally hit deer that go unrecovered do so because hunters push them way too soon.

I Agree with you for the most part, but there is the one time when a buck is running with a doe & stops for the shot & off he goes following her again. not stopping till he runs out of gas. I found the buck that did this to me, but it took over 6 hours of tough tracking that would have been alot easier with a dog.
I have never lost a fatally wounded deer, but had some tough trails. Some were my shots & other were friend's shots. Just saying we should use every available means to find down deer.

 

[Porchdog]

I used to live by a swamp. A few times, both in archery and in gun, the neighbor had trouble finding deer and came for help.
Always after dark and many places through mud/water at least knee deep. Even when my beagle was old and lame we'd put him on the blood and he'd take off, running and swimming until he found the deer. Some of those deer I couldn't see from 3 feet away.

We were no more hunting with that dog than we were hunting after dark. I supposed we "could" have had a gun along and been coon hunting.

How can tracking with a dog, without a weapon, be hunting?

 

[timberdoodle]

Sec. 2383. Dogs pursuing, injuring or killing big game.

(a) General rule.- Except as provided in subsection (b), it is unlawful for any person to make use of a dog in any manner to hunt for or to take big game or to permit a dog owned, controlled or harbored by that person to pursue, harass, chase, scatter, injure or kill any big game.

 

[Porchdog]

Sec. 2383. Dogs pursuing, injuring or killing big game.

(a) General rule.- Except as provided in subsection (b), it is unlawful for any person to make use of a dog in any manner to hunt for or to take big game or to permit a dog owned, controlled or harbored by that person to pursue, harass, chase, scatter, injure or kill any big game.

Looks OK, If the dog isn't pursuing, injuring or killing.
We never found a deer that wasn't already dead.

 

[Woods walker]

Because the definition of hunting includes tracking. If you are driving for someone you are hunting even of you don't have a gun. The probl;em is people are using their idea of what hunting is instead of what the law say it is and the law trumps opinion.

 

[LJ Drake]

John,

Alittle off subject. If you are tagged out is it illegal to walk through the woods to push deer for someone else?

 

[bobcat]

I'm curious on the out come, I just got a coonhound this past spring. I would have never put that much thought behind not taking him.

When I normally shoot a deer with my bow, I head home for a couple hours anyhow.( I walk from the porch to my stand) Grab the supplies I need and a buddy or two.

I'd have just grabbed the dog and gone, But now If its illegal, I dont want him to join the party.

why in the world would you want to put a young coon hound on a deer? the next time you went coon huntin and it ran a deer you would be ticked. not to mention giving all the guys who go to great pain to keep their dogs deer free a bad name and give all the "deer dog shooters" even more of a reason to pull the trigger on a hound that belongs to someone who tried to train his dog right.



















































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[Guest]

Well, just had a fella send me pics of a deer that was shot last week and lost. Had a leashed tracking dog been available, I'm sure it would have been found. Now, a buck is dead, and the person can LEGALLY go out and shoot another buck. The meat was spoiled on the first buck and he legally can't keep the antlers, but, 2 bucks will probably die this season, when only one would have.

Leashed tracking dogs should be legal. Unfortunately, the legislators can't recognize the benefits.

I agree with you but if that guy had an ounce of ethics,that deer would have been tagged.

2006, I lost a buck in bow season, only to be found by bear hunters in bear season. Was a picked clean skeleton by that point. The day before deer season, I found the buck, tagged it, and brought that head out.

 

[sdwlucas]

I would not have a bow/firearm with me, I'm taking the dog for a walk. It certainly isn't illegal to do that!

 

[dce]

Well, just had a fella send me pics of a deer that was shot last week and lost. Had a leashed tracking dog been available, I'm sure it would have been found. Now, a buck is dead, and the person can LEGALLY go out and shoot another buck. The meat was spoiled on the first buck and he legally can't keep the antlers, but, 2 bucks will probably die this season, when only one would have.

Leashed tracking dogs should be legal. Unfortunately, the legislators can't recognize the benefits.

I agree with you but if that guy had an ounce of ethics,that deer would have been tagged.

2006, I lost a buck in bow season, only to be found by bear hunters in bear season. Was a picked clean skeleton by that point. The day before deer season, I found the buck, tagged it, and brought that head out.

That's a sportsmen for you.

The guy that sent you that picture should have his lisence revoked.I wouldn't hunt with a guy like that and I'm willing to bet the rack went home with him.

 

[Woods walker]

As long as you have a license for whatever they are hunting.

 

[deadon4]

I'm curious on the out come, I just got a coonhound this past spring. I would have never put that much thought behind not taking him.

When I normally shoot a deer with my bow, I head home for a couple hours anyhow.( I walk from the porch to my stand) Grab the supplies I need and a buddy or two.

I'd have just grabbed the dog and gone, But now If its illegal, I dont want him to join the party.

why in the world would you want to put a young coon hound on a deer? the next time you went coon huntin and it ran a deer you would be ticked. not to mention giving all the guys who go to great pain to keep their dogs deer free a bad name and give all the "deer dog shooters" even more of a reason to pull the trigger on a hound that belongs to someone who tried to train his dog right.






















































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Just what I was thinking. I have coyote hounds and would never think of deer recovery with them. Man; I have way to much invested in them to ruin there ability to hunt without having the fear that they will run the first deer they cross because I allow them to do it when it benefits me. On the subject of the post I feel it would be of great benefit to have the legislation changed to permit recovery with dogs. My son stuck a very nice 7 point in 2007. He called me at 4:30 pm for help. We searched until 2am with no luck. He had to leave for work and I went back to camp for a rest and picked up where we left off at 6am I found the buck at 10:15 am almost 1/2 mile from my son's stand. The arrow entered at a bad angle and was fully inside the buck. It entered 1 lung , the stomach and the liver. The blood trail quit at 300 yards out lucky that the buck followed a trail along a ridge and into the next bottom. He dropped right on the trail. I called my son and he left work and meet me there, deer tagged and recovered but the whole time I was thinking how nice it would have been to have a dog.

 

[dce]

Had you left that deer alone without pushing him,you would have most likely recovered him very close to where your son last saw him.We don't need tracking dogs,we need patience.A dog won't help you find a deer that's still alive and moving.

 

[deadon4]

I did not say anything about pushing him.

He made the shot at 11am then went to camp. It was a Friday and he called me on my way to camp. By the time we started to look for him 6 hours later it was getting dark. The deer never laid down until his death.

 

[dce]

I trail alot of wounded deer each year.Last year alone,I recovered 5 gut shot deer.A gut shot deer does not walk for a 1/2 mile before laying down without being pushed.In fact,they very,very rarely ever go 100 yards.Last year two of the gut shot deer I helped recover were still alive the next morning.Both were found less than 75 yards from where the hunter last saw them from their stand.On another case,a buddy of mine hit one around 3:00 PM.He thought the shot was perfect,even though he saw the deer stilll walking about 120 yards from where he hit it.We took the faint trail up at around 6:00pm and walked up on the deer,very much still alive about 500 yards later.I would have turned back after the first 200 yards and came back in the morning but my buddy was worried about the rain we were getting that night.Had we not pushed that deer,he would have been found almost within sight of the stand.We did recover that buck the next morning,almost where we last saw him the night before.If you don't see or hear a deer drop and think there's any possibility that you hit the gut's,don't even attemp to follow it.Back out and come back at least 12 hours later.If you do that,you'll have no need for a tracking dog.

There's no way to know if that buck never laid down.Gut shot deer don't always bleed in their bed and they don't leave blood trails for a 1/2 mile.

 

[deadon4]

I did not say he left a trail for 1/2 mile. Read the post. He followed a trail along the ridge. We did not track him until 6pm that evening six hours later. I recovered him the next morning stiff and cold. He died soon after being shot. You are tracking lots of gut shot deer, maybe dogs will help. All I am saying is I see a benefit for the archery hunters.