You think Wolfe has a plan lol

 

So, are you saying the demonstrators don’t have a plan?

 

Wolfe's plan is to sit & wait until he can think of something else to be a drag on society.

 

I guess my question wasn’t very clear to some people.

 

Just what choices do you think the public has ? None, zippo, until the governor decides what the next step is. He can sit and do nothing and keep spewing "flattening of the curve" "now is not the time" etc.... I think there are plenty of businesses that can open that allow plenty of distance between people that they can operate in a safe manor. It's time to identify them and keep rolling...

 

I'm sure the demonstrators realize that procedures for opening back up will be set forth by government. The Administration task force has drawn up a three phase plan to begin opening the economy in as safe a way as possible, and that plan has been signed off on by the medical task force. It's up to the state Governors to begin implementing that plan once certain criteria are met, the first of which is a down trend in new virus cases for 14 consecutive days.

 

You are correct, loridr. Which tells me, they must not have a plan. They just want to get back to work tomorrow and that isn’t going to happen and as you outlined, they know it. So what’s the point of demonstrating if they have no plan?

 

What choices do they have? If they don’t know then why demonstrate? I’m just trying to find out what their plans are. It’s obvious to anybody paying attention they aren’t going to be able to simply wake up tomorrow and go to work like they did before this all started.

 

Sounds like it's time for some civil disobedience. We are free Americans, after all.

 

I would think that the demonstrators, as well as the rest of the public, should understand that it's up to the government to initiate an appropriate plan to get the state moving again. The rally is an attempt to get Wolf working on such a plan.

 

States and the Federal government have been working on a plan. They don’t need demonstrators to remind them. I’m sure every governor is looking at the state coffers and see they’re getting low. Governors don’t want this to go on any longer than necessary.

 

the problem from the beginning was that Wolf's reasoning was what is essential vs non-essential. It had nothing to do with what spreads the disease. He left candy factories and auto assembly plants open, where people stand side by side, as somehow essential

Now is the time to evaluate businesses and jobs with science and possible modifications to see what is the risk of spreading the disease to the public. For some reason Wolf, and other blues are exceptionally reluctant to even consider. For instance, what risk does a logger have of spreading the virus to the public. Can a carpentry crew wear masks and frame a house? Obviously some things like bars and restaurants, churches, sporting events etc, are high risk and social distance would be impractical.

However , what of a drive in church where ever one stays in the car? Maybe a drive in movie?

Wolf has no plan, he doesn't even wear a mask and in the back round at all his media events, his staff stands shoulder to shoulder violating all the rules for us peasants.

Years ago, I was amazed that the official title in PA was His Excellency the Governor. Tom Wolf is certainly living up to the royal connotation of the title.

 

They were (are) demonstrating because they feel that their constitutional rights are being abused by government, particularly certain state governors, who they feel have overstepped their bounds. They know that the more we know about this virus, the more the numbers being bandied about just don't add up. The protesters have enough sense to know that the consequences of a prolonged shutdown will be as catastrophic, or more so, than the virus itself, not just from an economic standpoint, but from mental health and physical health standpoints as well, and yet we have certain pundits and media pushing to maintain lockdown for unreasonable lengths of time, which would totally destroy our economy and possibly even our society. Finally, these protests were planed and many carried out prior to Thursday when the recovery plan was released, and were not only a factor that pushed development of a plan, but will continue to urge reluctant governors to implement it as soon as is safely possible, instead of dragging their feet for whatever reason be it paranoia or political.

 

It appears that lack of testing kits (specifically the swabs) is going to be a problem in opening things up. Whether the tests are actually crucial is up for debate, but many of those making the decisions contend they are. Things ground to a halt by lack of Q-tips..... smh

 

Every medical expert and every governor I’ve heard has said testing is critical to opening up the economy.

 

your graph is off. The dept of health reported 1215 new cases yesterday and 276 DEATHS per WGAL in Lancaster. And the state is still bickering with Lancaster's coronor over the number of deaths in that county.

Interesting, at the noon news, the numbers were substantially reduced. 984 new cases and only 94 deaths and a little coverage about how the state failed to give an explanation for the numbers lower than the coronor gives. The announcer never addressed why the earlier figures were reduced.

Also, apparently the National Guard will be called up to perform duties at some nursing homes.

And on the Navajo Reservation in the SW, something like 25% of the people are testing positive. (Ouch)

Dr. Whichever is on right now. . She gives the figure at 948 new cases. Possibly the news was a transposed figure.

Frankly, I understand that we so far avoided a medical care emergency, but Folks need to work, not all of us are content to sit on our butts and collect checks.
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your graph is off. The dept of health reported 1215 new cases yesterday and 276 DEATHS per WGAL in Lancaster. And the state is still bickering with Lancaster's coronor over the number of deaths in that county.
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Well, it's not my graph....it's the was produced by the PA Dept of Health (as per their website) :surprise2:

I think it is only conclusive to the 18th...if your information is correct, I guess we would need to be going 14 days out from today (given we don't have another increase). Might be a while under the 14 day of continuous decrease guideline.

 

To answer the original question...what I've seen them saying....their plan, or suggestion or goal, is to reopen counties with low increases in number of cases, and then be ready to shut them down again, if there are flare-ups.

 

But, isn’t that the government’s plan? A slow rollout? Only they want to do it with a testing plan in place, that’s what the experts strongly recommend.

 

They were (are) demonstrating because they feel that their constitutional rights are being abused by government, particularly certain state governors, who they feel have overstepped their bounds.

That may be a byproduct of the demonstration but the main reason they cite is, “Let’s get back to work” but they have no plan on how that should be done. At least, not as far as I can tell.

 

I believe many (not all, but many) in the protest crowd feel everybody should just go back to work....business as usual. All sectors back to work, full steam ahead. I don't believe the protesters are unified to the point of having a plan beyond just getting back to work.

 

Which is what I see too. That can’t and won’t happen because if it did, there would be another spike and possibly another shutdown and the effort put forth so far would be for naught. Not to mention, hospitals could be overwhelmed and doctors, nurses and critical hospital workers could be placed at unnecessary risk.

 

Come on loridr, you know these are just gun totin, Bible thumpin, redneck, deplorable hillbillies with not two brain cells between them.

 

Since nobody even remotely suggested that, I have to wonder, what is your motive for posting it?

 

Wolf misspoke.....his team was not busy working on their plan. They were busy copying Cuomos's plan.....

 

That we can agree on. lain:

 

I think what's happening is, our hospitals are not being overrun and people are seeing that.

On April 6, Pennsylvania began reporting percentages of available hospital beds, ICU beds and ventilators.

These are the percentages that have remained available:

51% 40% 70% as of April 6, 2020
51% 40% 70%
51% 40% 70%
45% 37% 70%
45% 38% 70%
46% 38% 70%
NR NR NR
44% 38% 70%
42% 37% 70%
41% 39% 70%
41% 37% 70%
NR NR NR
48% 41% 70%
45% 39% 70% as of 4/19/2020


6% drop in available hospital beds
1% drop in available ICU beds
0% drop in available ventilators

To me, that doesn't sound like the system is overburdened. Maybe in certain highly populated areas, but certainly not statewide.

I'm not a "open it all at once" guy. I am however becoming a "how much better do the numbers need to be before reopening parts of PA" guy.

 

Hospitals routinely run at 110% of capacity during flu peaks. They put people on cots in hallways.

 

With elective surgeries postponed, there have been articles of Hospitals setting up additional ICU wards with some of the available space.

IIRC PS Hershey was one to add ICU wards.

Maybe this capability with hospitals will at least be a good lesson learned, that cutting out elective stuff to increase critical use capability is the route to take, and not shutting down personal life.

 

Didnt the legislature send Wolf a bill on how to slowly reopen businesses and Wolf told them to shove it?

Why are the strip mines in my area shut down? Why is the timber industry shut down? Why is road construction shut down? Why can I go to my local hardware store, be greeted when coming in for what I need, have them get the parts, pay and leave; why wouldnt that some thing work for state stores?

Being a battleground state, I'd say Wolf's plan is to make everything as miserable as possible for the whole state, hoping that turns votes from R to D.

 

If a coal company idled a job, it’s probably do to market conditions. Mining has been deemed essential by the Commonwealth.

 

I think the rally is also intended to be a wake-up call for the governor.

While Pennsylvanians are doing our part, Wolf seems to have failed at almost every turn. Orders are great, but apparently real operational solutions are hard.

• Standard unemployment is a mess (LONG wait times for just PIN numbers, let alone payments)
  
• The Pandemic Unemployment Assistance for self-employed workers rollout was perhaps a bigger mess (they started working on it a month ago, and the portal didn't work when they released it a few days ago)
  
• The liquor store situation has been a back and forth mess from day 1 (we're closed, but we're still paying our staff full salary, no wait we're open for online orders, no we're not, now we're a little bit open, we ask Pennsylvanians to please stop driving out of the state to buy your hooch)
  
• The state stopped on-site inspections of nursing homes and were extremely vague when asked what other measures they are using. (can you imagine what they will find when they begin doing them again. See stories from other states)
  
• And most importantly, while PA private labs found a way to handle to 7000 covid tests a day, somehow the Commonwealth's lab can only manage 300 a day. The private sector is figuring things out and bringing something to the table, why isn't our Governor?

Can we not move some of the laid-off Commonwealth workers into the UE department?
Can we not hire to more robustly staff the Commonwealth testing lab?

Wolf seems to have curled up into a ball, and I think people are starting to catch on and letting him know we need leadership.

 

PLAN? What are Jersey, New York, DE and Conn. doing, he'll follow. So listen to the NY hour daily for some clues.

 

Here's what Wolf said so far today, in order:

176 liquor stores will do curbside delivery
Auto dealers can sell cars, online only - due to Senate Bill 841
Online notary services can be performed - for online car sales
Starting May 8 - Construction will be allowed on a very limited basis, statewide

 

With the state in such a desperate place, we need to stop all out of state people from coming into Pa as well as Pa residents from leaving the state unless for official work business. We also need to send people back to NY and other states that are holed up in their vacation homes.

And at the same time, Philly, Pittsburgh and surrounding counties need to be quarantined, with only essential commodities allowed to be transported in and out. We need to fully stop the spread of the virus to counties where little is occurring now.

Show us your balls Wolfie, not just pander to the political correct crowd for their votes.

 

Quarantine a whole county, yea that’s will work. LOL. I’ll be at my camp, and unless the state is paying my mortgage and taxes they can go get bent!!

 

Didn’t strike a nerve with me. Since nobody on this thread even remotely suggested that, I figured you had an ulterior motive for making your statement. Btw, there were no lines to read between as you suggested.

 

Wolfs initial orders shut down the mining industry. If they were given the go ahead to start back up again, it didnt reach the companies in my area. Or maybe like other industries, its selective openings which Wolf is keeping a secret. So much for our open records policy in Pa