[mauser06]

thanx guys...i really didnt think there was much of a comparison between the rem and whelen...i looked at the charts quickly and seen the numbers and kinda knew that...

i do know i'll loose velocity by cutting the barrel...i dont even know if i will/would...22" is still a pretty manageable rifle..not like 24-26+"...

i just never realized they actually chambered the 760(0) in anything larger than 3006...i was actually going to buy one in 3006 since my bolt gun is a 3006 and i could keep the ammo the same...but rather have a thumper if i could...love the mauser...but i have the same issue with it..gotta cycle all the rounds through to empty it..and its big and heavy and a pain to carry...for as much drives as i do, i need a gun built for it...the 7600 is the answer to that...a 7600 in a hard hittin caliber is the answer FOR ME i do believe...

just really want a hard hitting caliber...but dont need/want a magnum...

 

[SpiritNugent]

Devin, can't go wrong with either.

If it was me, I would be getting a 35 remington model 760. A 22" barrel isn't bad at all busting bushes with... I do it year in and year out up north for bear.

In this here state, that sucker will shoot nice for you and knock anything silly you aim it at.

 

[mauser06]

wow theres a ghost!! good to see ya around nuge!!

i got a while to ponder...dont plan on buying RIGHT NOW...unless about 800$ falls from the sky into my hand before bear season lol....wont be rifle hunting so only thing i need a rifle for is bear season this year...so no rush...i'll be doing more research...but the whelen seems like it has much more than just an edge over the rem...though i know the rem is still a hard hitter..

i just been wanting a real heavy hitter...no real reason...1 well placed shot makes anything dead...never had a problem with what ive used...just want a bigger gun...coz i can have one.....

 

[winchesterbob]

Keep your eyes peeled...I bought a new one off here a couple years ago and had Economy take it down to 18.5"...Jake told me the barrel was a real bear to remove-something not uncommon with Remingtons...

I'll likely never hunt it but wanted to see how it compared to my 22" Classic....the Whelen uses medium burning powders which equate to not a lot of velocity loss when you lose 3.5"....

 

[benelli21]

Just a note, I can unload my marlin 45-70 tube magazine through the loading gate.

 

[8mikemike]

.35 Rem is a 30-30 with 200gr bullets. 35 Whelen is an '06 on roids.

 

[Art Salmons]

The was an article in a Gun rag a few months ago where they started with a 24 inch barrel and cut off 1 inch at a time and the results were surprising as the rifle didn't lose all the velocity that uou would have thought. It loss only about 50 ft per second which suprised me. Of course this can be somewhat controlled by the type of powder used in the ammo. Fast burning powder tends to lose less the a slow burning powder.

I have only had my 35 Whelen for a month now but I'm loading 200 grain Hornady SP to just under 2800 FPS and it's an awesome load.

 

[*Moose]

Just a note, I can unload my marlin 45-70 tube magazine through the loading gate.

I'm not exactly sure why you would though.

 

[dce]

Grice gun shop in Clearfield usually has a special run of 7600's in .35 whelen.There is no ballistic comparion between a .35 rem and .35 whelen.

 

[SpiritNugent]

wow theres a ghost!! good to see ya around nuge!!

i got a while to ponder...dont plan on buying RIGHT NOW...unless about 800$ falls from the sky into my hand before bear season lol....wont be rifle hunting so only thing i need a rifle for is bear season this year...so no rush...i'll be doing more research...but the whelen seems like it has much more than just an edge over the rem...though i know the rem is still a hard hitter..

i just been wanting a real heavy hitter...no real reason...1 well placed shot makes anything dead...never had a problem with what ive used...just want a bigger gun...coz i can have one.....

Be patient... gunbroker is the place. Look every 3 days.

A 760 or 7600 in either of them will suit you well. For sure...

There are other options out there in make/action, but I really think you would like the slide action for what you would use it for. Would really make a good match for your Mauser .30-06 to reach in and grab from.

I defended the fact of what Bob originally stated with the Whelen being superior in velocity and ability to shoot heavier pills... but the .35 Remington is no slouch at all.

Whichever you choose will suit you well. Good luck, and once again, check gunbroker twice a week. I had good success on there in both deals and quality, as well as good transactions.

 

[DennyF]

Much of the lore behind the "100FPS per inch" deductions, were probably done using factory ammo? With the variety of bullets and powders available today, many cartridges don't lose all that much velocity in shorter barrels, up to a point.

As Bob noted, match-up the "right" powder/bullet combo and I doubt more than a coupla hundred FPS would be lost, shortening a 22" Whelen barrel to 18 inches?

 

[mauser06]

thanx alot guys...i appreciate it...

i "thought" there was ways around loosing AS much velocity by playing with loads and powders...i dont hand load, but i'll get around to it eventually...

like i said, 22" is still very manageable..not 100% sure i'll have one cut if i end up with one...

im actually already getting somewhat picky after seeing a few "new" ones and a few older ones...i dont want a new one..heck, matte finish and synthetic stock would be the way to go for my use..but 2 of my buddies carry 7600s setup like that...cant STAND to look at them..im just a blue/wood kinda guy for the most part...but do like laminates and different wood though..


anyone know the "going" price for a 35 whelen...used in pretty good condition?? i dont mind a ding or scratch in the stock or blueing...but i dont go for rust and neglected used firearms at all...seems most online ive seen are 50-100$ higher than what i see 3008 go for....just because the caliber and a little more "rare" as they werent made real long and probably not tons made..? price isnt much of an object to me..if they went for 1000 id pay 1000..but i dont wanna pay 600 when they are worth 350ish like the 3006s...

nuge, you think all too much like me! missed havin you around! its to the point im one of the very very few in our crew that dont hunt with a pump gun...for our hunting, they are ideal...the fact that the handle so well and have a detatchable mag make them the ideal rifle for our style of hunting...and your right...when i head to the stand to hunt alone, i'll likely take the mauser incase i need to reach out there a little farther...and i dont actually own a "back up" deer rifle as of yet...have access to many..but its always nice to have your own so when one is down, you got one ready to go...

 

[benelli21]

Just a note, I can unload my marlin 45-70 tube magazine through the loading gate.

I'm not exactly sure why you would though.

Mike, mauser said he didn't want to crank shells through a lever action for safety reasons. He would prefer to just drop the clip and eject the live round from the barrel. I was just saying that I can unload from the loading gate on mine, which would solve having to cycle all the round through the rifle. In reality, I point the rifle in a safe direction and start working the lever.

 

[mackgee]

I have a Whelen pump that I bought off of here for $475. I am sending it out to have the barrel cut down and a synthetic stock put on. I am also going to have the trigger cleaned up and lightened, plus and going to have them true everything up for me. After that it will be off to get the metal Cerakoted and the stock painted to match the custom Leupold scope that I am planning on getting for it. I am trying to create the perfect thick woods carbine. You will like it when you get it. Good luck. Definately check out gunbroker.com to get yours.

 

[dce]

wow theres a ghost!! good to see ya around nuge!!

i got a while to ponder...dont plan on buying RIGHT NOW...unless about 800$ falls from the sky into my hand before bear season lol....wont be rifle hunting so only thing i need a rifle for is bear season this year...so no rush...i'll be doing more research...but the whelen seems like it has much more than just an edge over the rem...though i know the rem is still a hard hitter..

i just been wanting a real heavy hitter...no real reason...1 well placed shot makes anything dead...never had a problem with what ive used...just want a bigger gun...coz i can have one.....

Be patient... gunbroker is the place. Look every 3 days.

A 760 or 7600 in either of them will suit you well. For sure...

There are other options out there in make/action, but I really think you would like the slide action for what you would use it for. Would really make a good match for your Mauser .30-06 to reach in and grab from.

I defended the fact of what Bob originally stated with the Whelen being superior in velocity and ability to shoot heavier pills... but the .35 Remington is no slouch at all.

Whichever you choose will suit you well. Good luck, and once again, check gunbroker twice a week. I had good success on there in both deals and quality, as well as good transactions.

I have to disagree with you about the .35 rem not being a slouch.I started off hunting with a .35 rem as did my brother,father and uncle.Place any bullet where it's supposed to go and you'll usually have the desired results.However,the dozens of deer I've seen killed with the .35 was anything but impressive.With standard factory ammo,you'd be lucky to break 2000 fps out of an 18 1/2 inch barrel.I'm not talking about ammo that you'll spend close to $40 a box either.A .35 rem will consistantly kill deer at close and moderate ranges but bear are a different story.You want an exit wound,plain and simple.That won't happen the majority of the time with a .35 rem.A .35 whelen would make an excellent bear gun however.

 

[GrizzlyClaus]

Not to hijack this thread but velocity loss per inch is a function of powder burn rate and bore ratio. Velocity loss can be controlled by adjusting powder burn rate if you are a handloader. Bore ratio, well what can I say bigger is better. 4" off a 35 Whelen barrel will net you about 100 fps less velocity, not 100 fps per inch. If you don't beleive just do what I did check before velocity with a chronograph and cut the barrel and check again. Don't be scared.

 

[SpiritNugent]

DCE, you weren't using the right bullets. Plain and simple. 2000+ fps and no exit hole? Who's to blame? The gun? The caliber? OR... the bullet???

You answer that for me and then we will talk about the .35 Remmy being a sucker.

Soft points, and other bullets offered in the limited factory offerings, won't cut the cheese, not with many calibers "praised" on this website...

You have the option as a handloader (which is off topic for this post) to throw a spitzer on the .35 Remmy case. Add that, you gain lots of benefits. Add a quality bullet and you are messing with a lethal bear bomber. One and done, Lights out.

The OP, Mauser here, says handloading will come.

Thus, the reason I said "either" will suit him well... and the reason I said the .35 Remmy is no slouch.

What would I use? Either one. Because with the right bullet that WILL punch through a bear placed where it needs to go... I will harvest it.

Makes you wonder, sometimes, how guys get passthroughs with arrows, but have trouble with said calibers? Shot placement? Bullet choice for said animal?

I know what I'm thinking... but that's just me.

Have a good one, and the best of luck to you the rest of your season.

Oh, by the way, shoot me a PM when you get the chance. I'd like to know how the archery season went for you. I sent you, but it says you're full.

 

[dce]

I'll agree that you can use better,much more expensive factory loads and I also agree that you can increase it's effectiveness by handloading.I never worked up a load with the .35 rem because we were stuck using round nose bullets because of the tubular magazines.That wouldn't be an issue in a 7600.We also used federal,win and rem. plain Jane factory loads.I have a ton of experience with this caliber and I can tell you for a fact that performance was mediocre at best.You can make it better but you can also step up to any of the much better calibers offered in that rifle.The vast majority of the deer will killed(dozens)ran a considerable distance with perfect shots and we rarely had an exit wound unless it was shot through the ribs.Plenty of bears have been killed with a .35 rem and if that's all you have,that's fine.Just take close,standing sensible shots.It just isn't even close to ideal bear medicine.I've been on hand when alot of bear have been killed and unfortuneatly wounded.One thing I stand behind is that 101% of the time,you want an exit wound.Use a caliber that will get that done every time and ay any angle.

I had a good archery season.I killed 5 doe and rattled in and killed a nice 8 point.

 

[*Moose]

I'll agree that you can use better,much more expensive factory loads and I also agree that you can increase it's effectiveness by handloading.I never worked up a load with the .35 rem because we were stuck using round nose bullets because of the tubular magazines.That wouldn't be an issue in a 7600.We also used federal,win and rem. plain Jane factory loads.I have a ton of experience with this caliber and I can tell you for a fact that performance was mediocre at best.You can make it better but you can also step up to any of the much better calibers offered in that rifle.The vast majority of the deer will killed(dozens)ran a considerable distance with perfect shots and we rarely had an exit wound unless it was shot through the ribs.Plenty of bears have been killed with a .35 rem and if that's all you have,that's fine.Just take close,standing sensible shots.It just isn't even close to ideal bear medicine.I've been on hand when alot of bear have been killed and unfortuneatly wounded.One thing I stand behind is that 101% of the time,you want an exit wound.Use a caliber that will get that done every time and ay any angle.

I had a good archery season.I killed 5 doe and rattled in and killed a nice 8 point.

Well said.

 

[hunt/fish365]

I like both calibers. Yes. If you handload you can get a much better load for the remmy. Most factory loads are intended for lever guns with tube mags. The 35 remington is a really fun gun to shoot. My grandfather has a 760 in 35 remington, and has never had a deer take more than a couple of steps. While he handloads they aren't much hotter than factory loads. He normally loads 200 grain psp's.

My uncle had a 7600 in 35 whelen for several years, and it put down deer without any problems. He mostly used it for bear, but never shot one with it. The recoil compared to the remmy is stout. If you rested the gun on the receiver the recoil would puch the pump all the way back, and the casing would eject.

One thing I will say if you plan on cutting the barrel back the whelen will have some serious muzzle blast. The remmy won't be quite as bad.