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Hunters arent the problem, habitat is. If habitat isnt there, you can close the season and population still wont increase. But habitat is something the GC hopes it can ignore and it will go away
you should see what they let happen to SGL 218 in Erie County. that place was a waterfowlers heaven. now everything is so overgrown the weeds are taking over the ponds because the PGC keeps draining them.

almost like they are anti waterfowl
 
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Sunday is not "wide open" for PA yet.

It is a lot more open than it used to be, with opportunities for more. Hunters should be glad for that step.

Regarding species, say all hunting in PA eliminated tomorrow. 100%, 24/7/365.

Which species are problematic, where you REALLY need human assist to manage?

Squirrel overbrowsing? Grouse ate the habitat and overpopulated? Rabbits run amok? Pheasants galore? Turkey terror? Groundhogs gone wild?

It's about deer, then maybe some bear. That's the need and the revenue stream. Which backs get scratched first?

Archery tag, bear tag, flinter tag, doe tag. No feathers flyin' when those get used.

There. I said it. Big game rules, small game drools, reality bites.
pick and choose sunday hunting is legal now! that should be the head line. not sunday hunting is legal
 
I guess you missed my correction a few posts later. I made that comment without putting the dates in.
Never said that WE are people who hunt the late season and spring season but not the fall. Seems some people have a reading problem.
I understand, neither of us got to hunt any Sundays after Christmas. But that's not the issue as you and others keep bringing up. The issue is the late seasons were not treated equally with the other seasons. It's not that hard to grasp that.
All these posts later and you've FINALLY used the correct term of Seasons and not hunters or people.
Much appreciated
 
This is where I find myself. I wished for them to do a full inclusion and we got a half measure. Not what I was hoping for, but I’m not sharpening my pitch fork over it, either. They’ll get there … just not when many of us hoped they would.

The reality is they could have said “too late for this year, we’ll consider it for next.”

They did something. Some of us see something as better than nothing, others see it as worse than nothing. Neither of those standpoints is imperially wrong… nor are they imperially right. It’s how you see the change.

The reality is we will probably see it all sorted out for 26-27 and hopefully can then move on.
The biggest thing for me is that based on the days picked and the comments about over harvest it’s hard to argue that archery hunting isn’t the PGCs sole concern at this point. 9 of the 10 days picked were during archery seasons and the first 5 of them went exclusively to archery season. Heck even the archery elk season, which has a total of 27 people hunting it, got a dedicated Sunday and almost as many Sundays as pheasant season (2 days vs 3) despite pheasant season being 14 weeks longer, half of which have no deer hunting during them so no concerns about over harvest.

Same with the regular deer archery season, if you are a bow hunter you got every important Sunday added to your season, they have nothing more to want at this point. Meanwhile the flintlock hunters, who kill less than 1% of the deer, get zero days and are being told it’s due to concerns about over harvest because the PGC added 6 to 8 high impact days to the season that already kills 50% of the bucks and 30% of the does. They couldn’t even throw them a bone by running the Sundays until the end of December giving them one day and avoiding the late rifle seasons issue entirely.

And apparently they can’t open the late season to small game only as rifle hunters are too dumb to read the rules and they will go hunting on Sundays during the late rifle seasons even though they aren’t supposed to. This is despite the fact that all of the late rifle seasons take place in areas where the PGC is actively trying to reduce the number of deer so one year of over harvest shouldn’t be much of a concern and they can simply adjust tag allocations next year.

Even if they roll out all Sundays next year their choices this year set the tone that the only season they really care about is archery and they will prioritize it over all other seasons if given the opportunity. The fact that they skipped over the rest of December when they are setting out several hundred thousand dollars worth of pheasant just shows they were too preoccupied with adding opportunities for archery and making sure rifle hunters didn’t kill too many does to care about additionally opportunities for the rest of the hunters. There were 9 more Sundays they could have added to the season outside of the late rifle season with zero concerns for the deer harvest but they chose not to with no real reason stated other than “adding any Sundays to the late season could result in over harvest.”

That to me is a bigger issue and since I don’t really archery hunt that doesn’t really give me a great feeling about their priorities going forward. Will they continue to slow walk implementation in the late season for a few more years while they assess the effects of the high impact days they introduced? Are they going to shorten or remove the late rifle season due to the estimated 20k to 40k more deer that will be killed during archery season? Will the DMAP rifle season go away for the same reason?

I guess time will tell but I am definitely far more disappointed compared to how excited I was when they first announced the special meeting to add Sundays to the 2025/2026 season.
 
The issue is the late seasons were not treated equally with the other seasons. It's not that hard to grasp that.
I don't look at this as much as them picking on certain seasons or hunting groups. More of taking this on in smaller bites. I wouldn't be surprised if they added Sundays to the 25/26 season and I'm sure that they will add them by next year.

It's not like they added them only to certain seasons. They just happen to fall into that time period chunk.

This impacts everyone, though.


Seems some people have a reading problem.
I think I have been reading your post pretty thoroughly and interpreting them as they were written. When multiple people misinterpret your words, you may need to work on simpler language. The simpler the better so that anyone who reads them can make no mistake on what you meant. Imagine you were writing instructions on how to diffuse a bomb. When I write documentation for work, it is with the thought that anyone should be able to read and understand. Whether that means being ultra-literal, repetitive, redundant or even "dumbing it down". Your words are being read by a wide and varied audience. You need to make sure you are understood.

I think the issue is that a lot of us are looking at these additional Sundays in black and white. This is to say, that there were Sundays added through December 7th and that no more should be read into that. It was not about rewarding or screwing any groups of hunters. It wasn't about archery or rifle or flintlock or turkey. They added a bunch of Sundays into the bulk of the hunting season and are going to see how it works out and then add more.
 
Archery isn't the only season that the GC cares about. It is the longest because the game management supports that style of hunting over that period of time. Plus the population of hunters is greater.

Gun hunters who travel to their camps can now finally arrive Friday evening and hunt as long as they want. Plus the population of hunters is the largest out of all.

It isn't that late flintlock, rabbit, pheasant, squirrel, doe, gobbler seasons are less important. They just don't have the participation the others have and in the case of turkeys, not all areas have the numbers as others.
 
Mary Jo might be a fine Biologist but I too agree she seemed unprepared for the few questions she had to answer about Spring Turkey hunting.
Being prepared for a report for the BOC is part of the job, not being prepared is inexcusable.
 
I don't look at this as much as them picking on certain seasons or hunting groups. More of taking this on in smaller bites. I wouldn't be surprised if they added Sundays to the 25/26 season and I'm sure that they will add them by next year.

It's not like they added them only to certain seasons. They just happen to fall into that time period chunk.

This impacts everyone, though.




I think I have been reading your post pretty thoroughly and interpreting them as they were written. When multiple people misinterpret your words, you may need to work on simpler language. The simpler the better so that anyone who reads them can make no mistake on what you meant. Imagine you were writing instructions on how to diffuse a bomb. When I write documentation for work, it is with the thought that anyone should be able to read and understand. Whether that means being ultra-literal, repetitive, redundant or even "dumbing it down". Your words are being read by a wide and varied audience. You need to make sure you are understood.

I think the issue is that a lot of us are looking at these additional Sundays in black and white. This is to say, that there were Sundays added through December 7th and that no more should be read into that. It was not about rewarding or screwing any groups of hunters. It wasn't about archery or rifle or flintlock or turkey. They added a bunch of Sundays into the bulk of the hunting seasn and are going to see how it works out and then add more.
Thanks for the advice, I will try to dumb down my posts for you and others
 
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This thread needs to go away, we are rehashing the same material over and over. I rarely voice my displeasure with the BOC and the decisions they make, but they loose ALL credibility when they say they need to review the harvest data before opening up additional Sundays. Consider the total number of deer harvested during archery season Sundays and its OK to give the GREEN LIGHT on those days, but after Christmas muzzleloader hunters will harvest WAYYYYY to many deer to open those Sundays. Total nonsense and a huge loss of credibility. JMO. I'm done.
 
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