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Sportsman's Permit Question

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#1 ·
I got my sportsman's permit today at the courthouse but have read conflicting reports on what is legal. Is concealed carry in a vehicle allowed under the permit? Also, when hunting does the handgun being carried have to coincide with the current season? such as could I carry a handgun in say archery season? I was hoping that maybe John S or one of the other WCO's would be able to help me.
 
#2 ·
No it is not a Conceal Carry license. No loaded fishing or hunting guns in car at all. All it does is allow you to transport a firearm from your home to where you hunt. If you did not have that all you could do is transport to a target range or gun shop plus a few other limited locations. If you are over 21 just go to the county sheriff's office and get a license to carry a firearm LTCF.
 
#5 ·
The only things that a Sportsmans Permit is good for is carrying concealed while hunting/fishing/trapping/dog training, and transporting to/from those events in a vehicle.

Certain hunting seasons that generally prohibit the possession of a firearm will require a License To Carry Firearms. ...the sportsmans permit will not cover carrying during such seasons, like archery, muzzleloader, etc.

If you walk to/from your hunting location - NO Sportsmans Permit or LTCF is needed to carry a handgun OPENLY so long as you aren't in one of the certain seasons.
 
#6 ·
knight0334 said:
The only things that a Sportsmans Permit is good for is carrying concealed while hunting/fishing/trapping/dog training, and transporting to/from those events in a vehicle.
Certain hunting seasons that generally prohibit the possession of a firearm will require a License To Carry Firearms. ...the sportsmans permit will not cover carrying during such seasons, like archery, muzzleloader, etc.

If you walk to/from your hunting location - NO Sportsmans Permit or LTCF is needed to carry a handgun OPENLY so long as you aren't in one of the certain seasons.
Actually the sportsman permit absolutely PROHIBITS concealed carry!! You must have your legal-for-hunting pistol visible at all times with the sportman license. You must transport in a locked case, with the ammo separated from the weapon as well.
 
#7 ·
mightyjoeyoung said:
knight0334 said:
The only things that a Sportsmans Permit is good for is carrying concealed while hunting/fishing/trapping/dog training, and transporting to/from those events in a vehicle.
Certain hunting seasons that generally prohibit the possession of a firearm will require a License To Carry Firearms. ...the sportsmans permit will not cover carrying during such seasons, like archery, muzzleloader, etc.

If you walk to/from your hunting location - NO Sportsmans Permit or LTCF is needed to carry a handgun OPENLY so long as you aren't in one of the certain seasons.
Actually the sportsman permit absolutely PROHIBITS concealed carry!! You must have your legal-for-hunting pistol visible at all times with the sportman license. You must transport in a locked case, with the ammo separated from the weapon as well.
No, it doesn't. Read the law, specifically Title 18, Chapter 61, Subsection 6106. No where in law or regulation does it say what you are stating. You have to stop using the Hunter Digest and the remarks on the PSP's website as the word of law.

The Sportsman Permit under 6106(c) is to provide an exemption from 6106(a)'s prohibition of "carries a firearm in any vehicle or any person who carries a firearm concealed on or about his person" thru 6106(b)'s exemptions (9) and (10).

The prohibited act is carrying in a vehicle or concealed. The Sportsman Permit provides for an exemption to that prohibition while participating in the sporting activities.

Here is 18.61.6106 for your viewing pleasure.

18 Pa.C.S. § 6106: Firearms not to be carried without a license
(a) Offense defined.--
(1) Except as provided in paragraph (2), any person who carries a firearm in any vehicle or any person who carries a firearm concealed on or about his person, except in his place of abode or fixed place of business, without a valid and lawfully issued license under this chapter commits a felony of the third degree.
(2) A person who is otherwise eligible to possess a [FN1] valid license under this chapter but carries a firearm in any vehicle or any person who carries a firearm concealed on or about his person, except in his place of abode or fixed place of business, without a valid and lawfully issued license and has not committed any other criminal violation commits a misdemeanor of the first degree.
(b) Exceptions.--The provisions of subsection (a) shall not apply to:
(1) Constables, sheriffs, prison or jail wardens, or their deputies, policemen of this Commonwealth or its political subdivisions, or other law-enforcement officers.
(2) Members of the army, navy, marine corps, air force or coast guard of the United States or of the National Guard or organized reserves when on duty.
(3) The regularly enrolled members of any organization duly organized to purchase or receive such firearms from the United States or from this Commonwealth.
(4) Any persons engaged in target shooting with a firearm, if such persons are at or are going to or from their places of assembly or target practice and if, while going to or from their places of assembly or target practice, the firearm is not loaded.
(5) Officers or employees of the United States duly authorized to carry a concealed firearm.
(6) Agents, messengers and other employees of common carriers, banks, or business firms, whose duties require them to protect moneys, valuables and other property in the discharge of such duties.
(7) Any person engaged in the business of manufacturing, repairing, or dealing in firearms, or the agent or representative of any such person, having in his possession, using or carrying a firearm in the usual or ordinary course of such business.
(8) Any person while carrying a firearm which is not loaded and is in a secure wrapper from the place of purchase to his home or place of business, or to a place of repair, sale or appraisal or back to his home or place of business, or in moving from one place of abode or business to another or from his home to a vacation or recreational home or dwelling or back, or to recover stolen property under section 6111.1(b)(4) (relating to Pennsylvania State Police), or to a place of instruction intended to teach the safe handling, use or maintenance of firearms or back or to a location to which the person has been directed to relinquish firearms under 23 Pa.C.S. § 6108 (relating to relief) or back upon return of the relinquished firearm or to a licensed dealer's place of business for relinquishment pursuant to 23 Pa.C.S § 6108.2 (relating to relinquishment for consignment sale, lawful transfer or safekeeping) or back upon return of the relinquished firearm or to a location for safekeeping pursuant to 23 Pa.C.S. § 6108.3 (relating to relinquishment to third party for safekeeping) or back upon return of the relinquished firearm.
(9) Persons licensed to hunt, take furbearers or fish in this Commonwealth, if such persons are actually hunting, taking furbearers or fishing as permitted by such license, or are going to the places where they desire to hunt, take furbearers or fish or returning from such places.
(10) Persons training dogs, if such persons are actually training dogs during the regular training season.
(11) Any person while carrying a firearm in any vehicle, which person possesses a valid and lawfully issued license for that firearm which has been issued under the laws of the United States or any other state.
(12) A person who has a lawfully issued license to carry a firearm pursuant to section 6109 (relating to licenses) and that said license expired within six months prior to the date of arrest and that the individual is otherwise eligible for renewal of the license.
(13) Any person who is otherwise eligible to possess a firearm under this chapter and who is operating a motor vehicle which is registered in the person's name or the name of a spouse or parent and which contains a firearm for which a valid license has been issued pursuant to section 6109 to the spouse or parent owning the firearm.
(14) A person lawfully engaged in the interstate transportation of a firearm as defined under 18 U.S.C § 921(a)(3) (relating to definitions) in compliance with 18 U.S.C. § 926A (relating to interstate transportation of firearms).
(15) Any person who possesses a valid and lawfully issued license or permit to carry a firearm which has been issued under the laws of another state, regardless of whether a reciprocity agreement exists between the Commonwealth and the state under section 6109(k), provided:
(i) The state provides a reciprocal privilege for individuals licensed to carry firearms under section 6109.
(ii) The Attorney General has determined that the firearm laws of the state are similar to the firearm laws of this Commonwealth.
(16) Any person holding a license in accordance with section 6109(f)(3).
(c) Sportsman's firearm permit.--
(1) Before any exception shall be granted under paragraph (b)(9) or (10) of this section to any person 18 years of age or older licensed to hunt, trap or fish or who has been issued a permit relating to hunting dogs, such person shall, at the time of securing his hunting, furtaking or fishing license or any time after such license has been issued, secure a sportsman's firearm permit from the county treasurer. The sportsman's firearm permit shall be issued immediately and be valid throughout this Commonwealth for a period of five years from the date of issue for any legal firearm, when carried in conjunction with a valid hunting, furtaking or fishing license or permit relating to hunting dogs. The sportsman's firearm permit shall be in triplicate on a form to be furnished by the Pennsylvania State Police. The original permit shall be delivered to the person, and the first copy thereof, within seven days, shall be forwarded to the Commissioner of the Pennsylvania State Police by the county treasurer. The second copy shall be retained by the county treasurer for a period of two years from the date of expiration. The county treasurer shall be entitled to collect a fee of not more than $6 for each such permit issued, which shall include the cost of any official form. The Pennsylvania State Police may recover from the county treasurer the cost of any such form, but may not charge more than $1 for each official permit form furnished to the county treasurer.
(2) Any person who sells or attempts to sell a sportsman's firearm permit for a fee in excess of that amount fixed under this subsection commits a summary offense.
(d) Revocation of registration.--Any registration of a firearm under subsection (c) of this section may be revoked by the county treasurer who issued it, upon written notice to the holder thereof.
(e) Definitions.--
(1) For purposes of subsection (b)(3), (4), (5), (7) and (8), the term "firearm" shall include any weapon which is designed to or may readily be converted to expel any projectile by the action of an explosive or the frame or receiver of the weapon.
(2) As used in this section, the phrase "place of instruction" shall include any hunting club, rifle club, rifle range, pistol range, shooting range, the premises of a licensed firearms dealer or a lawful gun show or meet.
 
#8 ·
§ 6106.1. Carrying loaded weapons other than firearms.
a.General rule. -- Except as provided in Title 34 (relating to game), no person shall carry a loaded pistol, revolver, shotgun or rifle, other than a firearm as defined in section 6102 (relating to definitions), in any vehicle. The provisions of this section shall not apply to persons excepted from the requirement of a license to carry firearms under section 6106(b)(1), (2), (5) or (6) (relating to firearms not to be carried without a license) nor shall the provisions of this section be construed to permit persons to carry firearms in a vehicle where such conduct is prohibited by section 6106.
 
#9 ·
§ 2525. Possession of firearm for protection of self or others
(a) General rule.--It is lawful for a law enforcement officer or any person who possesses a <span style="font-weight: bold">valid license to carry a firearm issued under 18 Pa.C.S. § 6109 (relating to licenses)</span> to be in possession of a loaded or unloaded firearm while engaged in any activity regulated by this title.


(b) Construction.--


(1) This section shall supersede any prohibition on the possession of a firearm or ammunition contained in any other provision of this title.


(2) This subsection shall not be construed to permit the hunting or harvesting of any wildlife with a firearm or ammunition not otherwise permitted by this title.


(c) Definitions.--As used in this section, the following words and phrases shall have the meanings given to them in this subsection:


“Firearm.” As defined in 18 Pa.C.S. § 6102 (relating to definitions).


“Law enforcement officer.” As defined in 18 Pa.C.S. § 6102 (relating to definitions).
 
#10 ·
What many have to understand is that not withstanding the exceptions...it is unlawful to carry a gun PERIOD in your vehicle.
The hunting exception allows you to carry an UNLOADED firearm in your vehicle to and from place of hunting
You must possess a LTCF (a Sportsman Permit is not a License, its a permit) or meet one of the "professional" exceptions in order to carry a loaded firearm in a vehicle.
The Sportsmans permit allows an individual who does not meet the age requirement for a LTCF to carry a handgun for sportsmans purposes (thats actually what title 18 is referring to by firearm)

Again, Title 34 prohibits carrying of a loaded firearm in a vehicle unless you have a LTCF or meet exceptions 6106(b)(1), (2), (5) or (6)
 
#11 ·
knight0334 said:
If you walk to/from your hunting location - NO Sportsmans Permit or LTCF is needed to carry a handgun OPENLY so long as you aren't in one of the certain seasons.
Whoa. Yes you can walk out the door of your house [or vacation home - it is an exception to transport to the vacation home] and open carry. You cannot transport an empty gun from home to the closest SGL, strap it on and hunt. You need a LTCF -or- the sportmans permit to transport away from home or camp to the hunting location because you do not meet an exception!
 
#12 ·
Lifes2Fun said:
What many have to understand is that not withstanding the exceptions...it is unlawful to carry a gun PERIOD in your vehicle.
The hunting exception allows you to carry an UNLOADED firearm in your vehicle to and from place of hunting
You must possess a LTCF (a Sportsman Permit is not a License, its a permit) or meet one of the "professional" exceptions in order to carry a loaded firearm in a vehicle.
The Sportsmans permit allows an individual who does not meet the age requirement for a LTCF to carry a handgun for sportsmans purposes (thats actually what title 18 is referring to by firearm)

Again, Title 34 prohibits carrying of a loaded firearm in a vehicle unless you have a LTCF or meet exceptions 6106(b)(1), (2), (5) or (6)
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#13 ·
wis bang said:
knight0334 said:
If you walk to/from your hunting location - NO Sportsmans Permit or LTCF is needed to carry a handgun OPENLY so long as you aren't in one of the certain seasons.
Whoa. Yes you can walk out the door of your house [or vacation home - it is an exception to transport to the vacation home] and open carry. You cannot transport an empty gun from home to the closest SGL, strap it on and hunt. You need a LTCF -or- the sportmans permit to transport away from home or camp to the hunting location because you do not meet an exception!
I said that.
 
#17 ·
Asajoe1 said:
When I would always renew my permit I would get the "protection" permit which I was told was good for everything? The last time the sheriff's office told me to mark "general" on the app.
If you get the ltcf it doesnt matter what is checked, you can use it for anything. It is different then the sportsman permit.