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PGC Considers Electronic Waterfowl Decoys

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FYI - from the agenda for the June 26 meeting

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B. Amend 58 Pa. Code § 141.18.
Commentary: Each year the Commission is asked to review the prospective use of certain devices for hunting or trapping purposes that are otherwise prohibited by statute or regulation. As part of the review process, the Commission generally reviews to what degree use of a given device might negatively impact principles of resource conservation, equal opportunity, fair chase or public safety. The Commission has recently been requested to formally review the use of electronic decoys used to hunt waterfowl, electronically heated scent or lure dispensers and electronic devices that generate and distribute ozone gas for scent control purposes. The Commission has reviewed these devices and determined that their use will have no or negligible negative impacts to the previously mentioned principles. The Commission is proposing to amend § 141.18 (relating to permitted devices) to authorize the use of electronic decoys used to hunt waterfowl, electronically heated scent, or lure dispensers and electronic devices that generate and distribute ozone gas for scent control purposes.

CHAPTER 141. HUNTING AND TRAPPING
Subchapter A. GENERAL

§ 141.18. Permitted devices.
Notwithstanding the prohibitions found in § 141.6 (relating to illegal devices), the
[The] following devices may be used to hunt or take wildlife:


(1) [Any manually operated firearm that uses an electronic impulse to detonate the primer or
main powder charge of the ammunition unless those firearms are a specifically prohibited device]
Firearms that use an electronic impulse to initiate discharge of their ammunition. This provision
is not intended to authorize use of these devices where such firearms are otherwise prohibited
devices for the applicable hunting or trapping season.

(2) Electronic sound amplification devices that are incorporated into hearing protection devices
and completely contained in or on the hunter’s ear.

(3) Electronic devices used for locating dogs while training or hunting, including devices such as
e-collars, radio-telemetry dog tracking systems and beeper collars.

(4) Electronic illuminating devices that are affixed at the aft end of a bolt or arrow and used
solely for the purpose of locating or tracking bolt or arrow flight after being launched from a
crossbow or bow.

(5) Electronic crow decoys used solely for [harvesting] hunting crows.

(6) Electronic rangefinders, including hand-held devices and those contained within a scope
or archery sight. This authorization may not be construed to permit a device that
emits a light beam, infrared beam, ultraviolet light beam, radio beam, thermal beam, ultrasonic
beam, particle beam or other beam that is visible outside of the device or on the target.

(7) Electronically heated scent or lure dispensers. This provision is not intended to
authorize use of scents and lures where such use is otherwise prohibited by section 2308 of the act
(relating to unlawful devices and methods) or sections 137.34 or 137.35 of this part (relating to
Chronic Wasting Disease and the emergency authority of the Director; Chronic Wasting Disease
restrictions.

(8) Electronic devices that generate and distribute ozone gas for scent control
purposes.

(9) Electronic waterfowl decoys used solely for hunting waterfowl.

Action:
 
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Meeting Announcement

COMMISSIONERS TO MEET JUNE 26
One-day meeting to be held at Game Commission’s Harrisburg headquarters.

The Pennsylvania Board of Game Commissioners will hold its third quarterly meeting of 2017 on Monday, June 26 at the Game Commission’s Harrisburg headquarters.

This is a one-day-only meeting, with the commissioners hearing public comment and staff reports in the morning and taking up their regular agenda after lunch.

Doors will open at 7:45 a.m. with the meeting being called to order at 8:30 a.m.

Individuals interested in offering public testimony – limited to five minutes – may register on a first-come, first-to-speak basis. PowerPoint presentations are not permitted during the public-comment period.

The agenda for the June 26 meeting is available at the Game Commission’s website, Game Commission. Under “Quick Clicks,” on the left side of the homepage, select “Meetings of the Board & Upcoming Events,” then click the link labeled “agenda.”

The Game Commission’s headquarters is located at 2001 Elmerton Ave., just off the Progress Avenue exit off Interstate 81 in Harrisburg, Dauphin County.
Those unable to attend the meeting can watch much of it from home.

The meeting is scheduled to be live-streamed beginning Monday morning, immediately following the conclusion of public comments. The livestream can be accessed through the agency’s website, Game Commission, though viewers will need to log in to a free account to access the stream.

Link to Agenda

Upcoming Events
 
#3 ·
I would be in favor of "Electronic waterfowl decoys used solely for hunting waterfowl."

I have hunted over them in MD and VA and I think they would be an asset.
 
#7 ·
Thanks for the update Moe, I didn't know this was even on the radar of the PGC.
 
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#8 ·
My email I just sent, i'm 100% resource first guy, but having used these in other states a lot, I think they can help, but not the magic pill, and don't think it would hurt our duck population. I'm just a hunter, but this is my opinion.



"I believe legalizing spinning wing, or electronic decoys would not be a detriment to the resource. I hunt many surrounding states that allow their use, and as sometimes I can see it help, it's really not the "magic pill" to killing ducks every time you hunt.

I would like you take a look at the following suggestions, if some believe we need to ease into the implementation, which is how PA usually does things:

Consider approving them for a 2 year trial basis. I say two years, instead of one, simply because after the first year of implementation, you won't get the "real" ducks survey data back, until August, so there won't be time to make a determination if the population was hurt the previous year, so a couple years of data will be better, in my opinion.

Make electronic decoys legal during the 2nd split of the duck season only?

Limit the number of electronic decoys that can be used at a time, maybe up to 3 motion decoys?(snow goose not included)

If after the first two year trial, it comes that no negative impacts are being felt, then the regulation should be made permanent, and the above restrictions could be lifted.

Waterfowl populations can vary a good bit from year to year, like we all felt with the goose moratorium in the 90's, we never want to come back to that. I feel all involved to a fine job of putting the resource first, which is the way it should be. But if this regulation isn't going to have any negative impact, I feel it should be strongly considered. Helping waterfowl hunters is never a bad thing, as they are the real conservationist of the sport."
 
#10 ·
i sent an e-mail asking them to adopt this as i think its a good idea and i dont even hunt waterfowl. i did ask them to add electronic calls for other game besides crows and predators.

good luck fella , i hope the electronic decoy passes.
 
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#11 ·
I'm on the other side of the fence and sent an e-mail voicing my opposition to the change. Right now in the northwest part of the state the duck population is in dire straits. If the proposal passes the area will never recover enough to maintain a hunt able population of ducks. My observations from hunting 100+ days a year for waterfowl is that, a reduced season days, reduced limits, or even total closure of the duck season is coming. We don't need the electronic decoys to hasten the end of duck season.
 
#13 ·
Today's meeting brought these results.

THREE ELECTRONIC DEVICES COULD BE APPROVED FOR HUNTING
It’s unlawful to hunt with electronic devices unless they’re permitted by exception.

The Pennsylvania Board of Game Commissioners today gave preliminary approval to a measure that would make three additional electronic devices lawful to use while hunting.
If the measure is adopted, hunters would be able to use electronic decoys in hunting waterfowl; electronically heated scent or lure dispensers; and electronic devices that distribute ozone gas for scent-control purposes.
The measure is scheduled to be brought back to the September meeting for a final vote. The board indicated it will consider adding electronic mourning-dove decoys to the list when it’s brought up for a final vote.
Electronic devices generally are prohibited for hunting use in Pennsylvania, but the Game Commission over the years has received requests to review several specific electronic devices, and has approved some of them for hunting use. As part of the review process, the Game Commission evaluates to what degree a given device might negatively impact the principles of resource conservation, equal opportunity, fair chase and public safety.
In reviewing the devices that today were preliminary approved for hunting use, the Game Commission identified no negative impacts that would result from their use.
 
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#15 ·
Maybe I'll go into the decoy battery business. :smile_big:

Considering the cost and weight I don't think we'll see that many.
 
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#17 ·
Sounds like the Ozonics rep. has a friend on the board.


BOHNR: I am curious as to what "other " species you want electronic callers approved for.


Outside of deer and turkey, are there others?


Personally, calling with a turkey call or blowing a grunt tube are part of the fun, and I am not against them approving, but am wondering what others.


thanks!
 
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#19 ·
just deer, turkey, predators, waterfowl, rabbits maybe,

hey...i called in two, at night, while predator hunting using a baby cottontail in distress. i looked in one direction, then back towards the call and saw two sets of red eyes bouncing my way real fast, startled me for a second before i realized what they were :smile2:
 
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#18 ·
"The board indicated it will consider adding electronic mourning-dove decoys to the list when it’s brought up for a final vote."

There must have been more emails like mine that ask the PGC to consider adding doves to the list.
Now the PGC must finalize this in September, when does it become law??
 
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#25 ·
BOARD OF GAME COMMISSIONERS TO MEET SEPTEMBER 25 & 26, 2017
The Pennsylvania Board of Game Commissioners will hold its fourth quarterly meeting of 2017, on September 25 & 26 at Middle Creek Wildlife Management Area's Visitor Center located in Lancaster County at 100 Museum Road in Stevens, PA; 17578.

The plan is spinning wing decoys will be finalized at this meeting, I THINK it will take effect in 60 days after being finalized.
So...maybe the end of November.
 
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#27 ·
IF it's only a 60 day notice, may take effect late Dec.? Who knows. Maybe the period between when they gave preliminary approval, and when they vote on final approval, counts as the "waiting period" , and can take effect right away. Have to wait and see I guess.
 
#30 ·
Moto ducks aren't the only gadget out there. I hunted California and you couldn't use roto ducks until Dec 1st. They have their place and uses. There are also swimming ducks, torpedoes that attach to your decoy to make them swim, shaking disks that put waves on clam water and a few others. I have used jerk strings also. They all have their time and place and none are a magic pill. I think Pa should permit them after the season has started but I don't like the idea of electronic calls, learn to call them. More ducks are saved by bad calls than bad shots.
 
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