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Scientists at the University of Minnesota have asked state lawmakers for almost $2 million to create a new test for chronic wasting disease, or CWD.

Current testing methods for CWD — the always fatal infection recently found in the wild deer herds of southeastern Minnesota — is laborious. But the new testing methods could be a gamechanger: It would be much faster than the current one, and more crucially, it could be done on living deer.

• Earlier: Minnesota officials call for federal help to combat fatal deer disease
Jeremy Schefers runs CWD testing at the University of Minnesota where the two-week, 40-step process begins in a basement lab.

This machine runs the samples through a bath of red dye
Samples of deer brain and lymph nodes are soaked in formaldehyde, then dehydrated with alcohol, saturated with paraffin wax, and shaved into slivers just five microns thick. This machine runs the samples through a bath of red dye, which only sticks to the misfolded proteins, called prions, that cause chronic wasting disease. John Enger | MPR News
"This is the veterinary diagnostic lab," he says. "We get every species of animal, except humans.

Out in the middle of a concrete floor is a very large, very dead horse. It's being autopsied. This is totally normal, apparently. Schefers doesn't even mention the horse. Instead he pulls a pair of severed deer heads out of a black plastic bag.

"It is one of the coldest days of the year, and the heads are frozen," he said.

Once the heads thaw, in two or three days, he'll surgically remove pieces of the brain and lymph nodes.

"And they have to sit in formaldehyde for five days," he explained. "And you can't rush that process either."

Schefer squints through a microscope, looking for any sign of CWD
The two-week testing process ends in Jeremy Schefer's office, where he squints through a microscope, looking for any sign of the disease. John Enger | MPR News
Then he'll dehydrate them with alcohol, saturate them with paraffin wax, and shave off slivers just five microns thick.

"That's the width of a red blood cell," he said.

They'll be run through a bath of red dye, which only sticks to the misfolded proteins, called prions, that cause CWD.

And finally, two weeks after a deer head arrives at the U of M, Schefers squints through a microscope in his office for hour after hour, looking for traces of the disease.

Schefers admits to eyestrain — "and a chronic headache and lower backache."

Red dye used in the testing process only sticks to the misfolded proteins
Red dye used in the testing process only sticks to the misfolded proteins, called prions, that cause chronic wasting disease. John Enger | MPR News
But that's not his biggest concern.

"What I find even more maddening is I've been doing this for 10 years and all I've done is watch CWD march across North America, with kind of a helpless feeling," he said. "There's a better way to do this. This is just borderline ridiculous," he said.

And now, it seems, there really could be a better way. On the same campus, research professor Peter Larsen is assembling a team that hopes to create a totally new test — a faster one, which could put wildlife managers in a position to get ahead of the disease, instead of just reacting to it.

Larsen wants to ditch the formaldehyde and red dye and use a hand-held device called a flow cell.

"Think of an iPhone and on one end, you have the camera" he said. "With a flow cell, you would take your biological sample and you would put a drop of it on that camera lens. And then the device will take that drop and circulate it throughout the environment we are going to create, and by the time it gets to the other end of the phone you will have your answer."

Research professor Peter Larsen holds a DNA sequencer
Research professor Peter Larsen is assembling a team that hopes to create a totally new, faster chronic wasting disease test. He said it will be about as big as the DNA sequencer, resting here, in the palm of his hand. John Enger | MPR News
Flow cells are being used to research Alzheimer's and Parkinson's disease in humans. But a similar machine could be modified to incubate those misfolded CWD prions, then detect them using nanotechnology.

The test would take maybe an hour or two, instead of two weeks. And it wouldn't require pieces of brain. Just some urine, or saliva, or even deer droppings — all easy to collect from living deer.

The scientists' funding request has just gone to the Minnesota Legislature. If Larsen's team gets the money, he says it hopes to create a working prototype in about two years.

It's hard to oversell just how important this test could be. Right now, Larsen said, the Department of Natural Resources doesn't actually have a very good idea of where CWD is, geographically, because of the testing lag time and the reality that deer are always moving.

CWD containment efforts are often based on where infected animals have been shot during hunting season. Larson said that's for too inexact to be effective.

"They look at the nearest case that's confirmed. And they say, 'OK, that's where it is.' That's not where it is. That's where it was," Larsen said.

Deer can be infected for two years before the disease kills them. That whole time, they're shedding proteins that can infect others. Even if the DNR knows where a sick animal died, they don't know where it's been.

With the new test, Larsen said, DNR researchers could reasonably hike through vast swaths of land, taking hundreds of samples of deer droppings and even antler velvet, and test them on the spot.

"It can provide real time surveillance, and that's critical," Larsen said. "I call it the CWD battlefield, and anyone with a military background will tell you, you have to have an understanding of what that front line looks like. And right now, we don't know that."

https://www.mprnews.org/story/2019/02/01/chronic-wasting-disease-testing
 
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That is a lot of money to spend on an enemy that to date cannot be stopped. It sounds to me like a way for a university to obtain money for research that really will not do anything except to tell you that CWD is spreading which is already known. This is what universities do and many professors jobs are dependent on obtaining grants for research or they are gone. This no more than research for the sake of research and the results don't matter, only the money to finance the research matters to the people running the research.
 
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Did you read the entire article? I think there are a few key points if what is said is true. 1. It can be done on live animals. 2. It can even be done on deer droppings, so testing could be done in the wild without killing deer to test for it. 3. The test is quick so hunters would get results quickly to know if their deer has it.
 
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And in government terms, 2 million is nothing for 2 years of work. Full time equivalent senior subject matter experts are normally in the 200-250k range and get a couple of them for two years that is actually not a bad price while leveraging the academic community to do a lot of the leg work.
 
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There is a better way. Shut down all captive breeding operations, have the owners double fence the land and never allow it anything on it again. Spending any money to save captive deer will do noting to prevent the disease in the wild because you cannot vaccinate wild herds of deer. These fools left the genie out of the bottle, let them pay for what they did. They don't care, that is why they lobbied to be taken away from control of an agency that was trying to keep the genie contained. They should all go broke!
 
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Hey, I hope there's something to this theory. Sure would be nice to hear something positive other than "we still don't know much about CWD" that we've heard since the 80's. I'm not going to hold my breath, but I'm hoping.
 
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Researchers want $2 million from the state to fund development of another testing protocol. I don't see a problem with that?

Here in PA, PGC has already spent $3 million of our Game Fund dollars on testing/coping with the spread of CWD, with nearly zero help from our state government's funds.

Since there is actually a connection between CWD and commercial deer farming, wouldn't one think perhaps the state should be kicking in some funding, since deer farming is under the purview of the Dept of Agriculture, not the PGC?

Where is the money from AG, or the general fund, to help testing and the attempts at controlling the spread of CWD in PA?

Back when the General Assembly gave control of deer farming to AG, I don't think they even increased their annual appropriation enough, for them to deal with overseeing it?

Now faced with the spread of CWD in captive herds and in wild deer, isn't it time for the state to step up?

They have now been asked by PFSC and other sportsmen's interests, to do so.
 
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Researchers want $2 million from the state to fund development of another testing protocol. I don't see a problem with that?

Here in PA, PGC has already spent $3 million of our Game Fund dollars on testing/coping with the spread of CWD, with nearly zero help from our state government's funds.

Since there is actually a connection between CWD and commercial deer farming, wouldn't one think perhaps the state should be kicking in some funding, since deer farming is under the purview of the Dept of Agriculture, not the PGC?

Where is the money from AG, or the general fund, to help testing and the attempts at controlling the spread of CWD in PA?

Back when the General Assembly gave control of deer farming to AG, I don't think they even increased their annual appropriation enough, for them to deal with overseeing it?

Now faced with the spread of CWD in captive herds and in wild deer, isn't it time for the state to step up?

They have now been asked by PFSC and other sportsmen's interests, to do so.



where is the money from the deer farmers? why use my tax dollars to test for something they caused. they should be made to kick in some cash too.
 
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If it is possible, developing a test that could concousively determine the presence of CWD in a live deer or a less time consuming version would be very beneficial to researchers, agencies monitoring the spread of disease as well as hunters that are concerned about ingesting contaminated meat. The current test is labor intensive as lymph nodes and he brain stem have to be properly extracted from the animal and then stored in formaldehyde. The whole process takes a minimum of 2 weeks. Researching new testing methods would be beneficial for all parties involved, good luck to the researchers in Minnesota.
 
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Agreed, $ well spent, if it works.


John S,err....I mean Woods Walker likes to cut off his nose to spite his face. The past is the past at this point and everyone needs to move fwd. to work towards a solution.



Just the increase in speed of testing.....much less the huge DECREASE in cost of testing, would be worth the investment, especially for hunters who want to know whether the deer they just harvested has CWD or not. Now, add in the benefit of real time monitoring and field testing.....if some kind of vaccine is ever developed (I have my doubts), it will definitely be much easier to map out targeted areas to focus on.



If rabies vaccines can be airdropped/put out as bait for local wildlife, then it is possible that something could be developed in the future. Again, not holding my breath on that part.
 
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Some the brightest research scientists in the World have been studying prion diseases looking for vaccines and cures since back in at least the forties. They have concluded it is not a living organism and that since it isn't a living there is no vaccine that will work because vaccines only work on living organisms. In over seventy years of research they haven't even found a good way to restructure a prion.


If I were interested in finding the answers to pion diseases I would think it much wiser to put the money into the poll with researchers that already have over a half century of work on it than simply depicting research that has already been done time and again yet always came back to the same conclusion as those who did the same research before them.


I agree with Woods Walker that at the University student level it really nothing more than a project to keep a good and probably bright student thinking, not necessarily a bad thing mind you, and a University Professor employed. To just keep redoing the same research that others have done time after time is not the right solution and is more likely just a waste of money and time.


Dick Bodenhorn
 
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The article that I read above says they want to develop new technology to test for CWD, not redo research that has been done in the past.

Universities are a major contributor to new technology and innovations. Why does the PGC keep spending money at Penn State if that is not the case? It will cost way more than 2 Mil to develop a new test for CWD if done privately.
 
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"they want to"


doesnt mean they can. i want to develop a method to get the CWD cure into the wild herd. i need 2 million to TRY and develop a method, any method that might work.


think i can get the money from the State to TRY and Develop this method ?
 
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From the article this isn't new technology. They are currently using it for other things and it just needs modified to test for CWD.
 
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I don't think you, I, or more than likely anyone else on this board has any clue about what is required. However if what they are saying can be done the implications are large. Any farm deer that is to be transported anywhere could easily be tested quickly.
 
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No one in the scientist has an idea either, not for decades. So far as moving deer around to get them tested goes, moving them around is what spread this disease. I want the deer farmers shut down, not helped to continue to spread their filth to our wild deer. They will do what some already have done, discover a sick one and open the wire. There is only one way to slowdown the spread, we are stuck with it forever, but we can remove the vectors by destroying pen raised deer. You should not sit around twiddling your thumbs waiting for a test while in the meantime the pen raised deer are spreading their poison across the state, you eliminate the vectors.
 
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You and I both know that deer farms are NOT going to be shut down. You can say it as many times as you want and shout it till you are red in the face but it simply won't happen. Screaming about it won't help slowdown the spread at all either.

Developing a test that can be done on live deer and quickly is a big step. Not only for pen raised deer, but for testing in the wild herd.
 
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False hope. If we really want to do something we can mount a movement to shut down these purveys of disease and keep them shut down. I know it is easier to sit on our hands and hope for something from science instead of actually doing something, There are almost 1 million hunters in this state and probably a couple of million more people who just like and use the outdoors that could be recruited. We could overwhelm the general assembly and force them to shut down all deer farms, that would include all ruminant animals. Of course, if you take the attitude that we cannot affect it, it will not happen. People said the Panama Canal could not be built, it was built, people said building a usable steam engine could not be done, it was done. Why? Because someone tried instead of hoping for some other recourse.
 
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False hope. If we really want to do something we can mount a movement to shut down these purveys of disease and keep them shut down. I know it is easier to sit on our hands and hope for something from science instead of actually doing something, There are almost 1 million hunters in this state and probably a couple of million more people who just like and use the outdoors that could be recruited. We could overwhelm the general assembly and force them to shut down all deer farms, that would include all ruminant animals.
I don't see it as false hope, but feel free to feel how you want. Being able to test deer before being moved would be a huge help.
 
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I fully support doing everything possible to shut down the deer farms. I also fully support any and all research on prion diseases, and particularly the development of as efficient a test as possible to detect it in harvested deer and possibly live animals.
 
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The point is, why sit on our hands and wait for science to help us? We know where the vectors for the spread of disease cam from and are still spreading it, and that is inside of the fences of deer farms. If we remove that vector it will most certainly stop or certainly slow down the spread of the disease to where it is not by the transportation of this vermin across the state. Kill the source and work on the rest afterward.
 
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Cspot,What is this love you have for these purveyors of disease on the deer farms? Killing all those deer will certainly prevent any of them from transmitting the disease to wild deer, it is doing something and it is the right thing to do and is better that doing nothing and hoping for decades for a cure that may never come or a test that may or may not work and if it works all it will do is tell us the disease is spreading.
 
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You are the one that is saying that finding a better test or researching for a cure is a waste of time. Not me. I never said I have a love of deer farms. I know the best solution to all of this would be to find a cure. CWD is already out there. Killing all farm raised deer will NOT get rid of CWD. CWD will continue to spread without deer farms. If a test can be done on live deer so that any pen-raised deer can be tested quickly before being moved, that would be the best solution as it doesn't require shutting down deer farms and would stop CWD deer from being transported.

I hope in your fight against deer farms that you are also requesting the PGC shut down the pheasant farms. How long before we find out that we have been distributing some disease all around the state every fall?
 
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Reading through I see at least two people that have the two studies confused. I have no idea why any hunter would not support research for a test to detect CWD from live deer or deer urine or deer smart pills. Research if successful would save ten folds in the first year.



Now I have been saying all along how do they know CWD prions are passed through urine if they can't test for and find it in urine. Will this prove them correct? Is that bottle of sexy Doe lure or Hot Doe urine safe to use? Well we would know for sure.



Right now sharpshooters shoot any deer and test them all the ones that were not CWD positive are just collateral damage. What if you could watch a deer lay down smart pills, have them tested quickly and know to shoot or not to shoot.

Our researchers now are using Clover traps and rocket nets to capture deer. Sure sounds a lot better to test live deer and release the healthy ones back into the wild. The sick ones could be eliminated. 2 Million is not that much of a gamble in the grand scheme of things. I think we are spending that to re do the fawn survival study. Waugh!
 
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#36 ·
They are asking the state of Minnesota, so it doesn't cost us a dime. :grin2:
 
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