I just returned from a week in Maine and was shocked while reading their hunting regulations. They permit use of .22 mag. for deer. No .22 lr or .17 rimfires but say the mag is ok.
rflktrman
In most cases hunting with any available rim fire is all but stupid. There is I've found a few deer over the years shot with way more people didn't find do to "iffy" shots.
One was a couple years ago on the second day that I put a tag on. It was still steaming when I found it. I hated to "waste" my tag, but I couldn't in good faith let it lay. It had a small caliber wound that wasn't instant death. Not sure a larger caliber would of helped, but I'm fairly certain it wouldn't have hurt. I should note to the internet police that there was only one area to park, and when I got there they were all leaving. One of them said thay had shot at a deer, but was almost certain he missed.
Most of my family is from Vermont. Most of them carry a 22 handgun in deer season. Even a GASP! auto. They are not used to hunt deer. They are used for dispatch only.
I know I have got to mortally wounded deer that needed dispatched. I used my rifle. Some have used knives, but I can't do it.
One was a couple years ago on the second day that I put a tag on. It was still steaming when I found it. I hated to "waste" my tag, but I couldn't in good faith let it lay. It had a small caliber wound that wasn't instant death. Not sure a larger caliber would of helped, but I'm fairly certain it wouldn't have hurt. I should note to the internet police that there was only one area to park, and when I got there they were all leaving. One of them said thay had shot at a deer, but was almost certain he missed.
Most of my family is from Vermont. Most of them carry a 22 handgun in deer season. Even a GASP! auto. They are not used to hunt deer. They are used for dispatch only.
I know I have got to mortally wounded deer that needed dispatched. I used my rifle. Some have used knives, but I can't do it.
Neither were PUSHED. Once we saw the corn and intestines from the first one, we backed out and and came in after lunch(he shot it around 8am). I appeared as though it had never bedded down to begin with and just wandered aimlessly. We would have waited longer, but the snow was melting, and we knew we needed it to track it. The second one, he watched bed down and die after he heit it. And yes, he's a horrible shot offhand, but where he stands there are no trees to use for a rest, and he rufuses to carry a shooting stick.
Nope.I've helped recover well over a couple dozen gut shot deer that were left overnight and about 50% of them were alive the next morning after 14 hours.A couple hours usually doesn't cut it.Borden and I have a mutaul friend that shot a big 8 point accross from my house.He knew he hit it too far back and backed out immediately.We went in the next day to recover it and it was down within 60 yards from where he last saw it but still alive.burk313 said:
Woodywoodduck said:
That reminds me of a story by the well known sixgunner Hal Swigget. He was hunting Moose in Canada with a Cree Indian for a guide. The Indian carried a .22 single shot. While they were in the canoe they saw a cow moose swimming across the lake and the Indian wanted it so they rowed the canoe right up alongside it. The Indian shot it in the head at near point blank range and the moose kept right on swimming like nothing had happened. At that point Swiggett told the Indian to shoot it again. The Cree replied "can't, only had one bullet".
And I would bet that Indian did not hit the + just shy of between the eyes and straight back in...hit tem straight on just a tad below the eyes in that + and they will hit the ground and Not get up and you do not have to be point blank range...even shooting pigs and cattle, you do not shoot point blank, you stand back and aim for that + and squeeze the trigger and down they go!*Moose said:Woodywoodduck said:
That reminds me of a story by the well known sixgunner Hal Swigget. He was hunting Moose in Canada with a Cree Indian for a guide. The Indian carried a .22 single shot. While they were in the canoe they saw a cow moose swimming across the lake and the Indian wanted it so they rowed the canoe right up alongside it. The Indian shot it in the head at near point blank range and the moose kept right on swimming like nothing had happened. At that point Swiggett told the Indian to shoot it again. The Cree replied "can't, only had one bullet".They never did recover that moose.![Image]()
That is something many are never taught!Born2Hunt said:
I have seen many on this site complain about others shooting and how bad they are at shot placement but when you mention to them to teach that person shot placement they reply with "It isn't my Job to teach them that!"
2 of us have found that taking a poster sized Archery Deer Target and using it to teach young kids just starting out and also seasoned hunters that loose deer regularly, on Where to place their shots, the kids end up doing exactly that and the seasoned hunters stand and scratch their heads and say "I now understand why I been loosing deer"
If everyone who understands shot placement with different calibers would teach others, many wild game animals would not end up lost to rot in the woods!
If I ever run into an angry moose again (been there, done that) I pray I have something more useful in my hands than a .22 mag.
Apples to oranges! Archery tackle generally causes death by hemorrhage/asphyxiation whereas bullets generally cause death by shock. Example: broadhead slices through lungs causing blood loss and possible drowning which results in lack of oxygen to the brain; bullets cause blood loss as well, but shock to the central nervous system is the real killer here in most cases.treedaddy said:
If this rimfire was legalized in Pa.their would be so many wounded and never recovered deer than you could imagine.Alot of shots we all know would be made in haste and have poor placement.A well versed and trained individual could be very succesful with this round with patience and discipline.But I can,t believe that someone would have to go out with this as their only choice.They would have to know someone that would let them borrow a better choice of a firearm.Heck,it sounds like Maine might even let their front stuffers use a .32 cal.Ha Ha.
One shoots a bullet, while the other one shoots arrows....usually with broadheads on 'em if your hunting.treedaddy said:
That's the most obvious difference.
Have you ever seen a 22 cartridge or a bow and arrow? I'm thinking if you have, you may not have ask this question.
But still....I wonder why these questions get ask about this time every year???
i personally have dropped a deer with 22wmr, and it was lights out. not trying to open a can of worms, but those straps and hams were delicious... Did someone say shot placement is key? with the WMR, bullet selection is also important. Can't do it in PA though...might have to head up to main to take MiniThumper for a walk LOL
Just for fun, for those who say the bow vs .22 mag debate.
Take a 5 gallon bucket of sand and shoot it with a .30-06 then shoot an arrow at a bucket of sand. Let me know what happens. It will change your mind about the "whats the difference between a bow and a .22 mag" debate.
Take a 5 gallon bucket of sand and shoot it with a .30-06 then shoot an arrow at a bucket of sand. Let me know what happens. It will change your mind about the "whats the difference between a bow and a .22 mag" debate.
I know from the debates on the firearms forum that a mag is far better than any standard caliber anyway.rancher00 said:
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