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I've been reading the back-and-forth about whether to have a pheasant stamp and all the wonderful things that will happen, and horribles that will be avoided, if and when PA gets a pheasant stamp.

I live and hunt in Maine, though I'm a native Pennsylvanian and grew up hunting in PA back when there were lots of wild pheasants all over. We have a pheasant stamp in Maine. I can tell you from our experience that the last thing you want in PA is to have one.

The long and the short of it is, as in most other things, m-o-n-e-y. Once the PGC can gauge exactly how much money pheasant hunting brings in, they will spend just that much and no more on it. Buying stamps tells them exactly how much.

My combined Maine resident fishing and hunting license costs $42 and the pheasant stamp another $17. The pheasant program is supported solely by the proceeds from the stamp. Last year's stamp sales buy this year's birds. For that $17, and the $17 of all the other hunters who buy one, we get:

1. One game biologist who spends [a lot] less than half his time on the pheasant program;
2. three stockings each year (2300 birds last year, total);
3. some small signs marking where the stocking locations are.

Most of the legwork is done by volunteers from a half-dozen rod-and-gun clubs in the southern part of the state (mine included). That includes sussing out landowners who'd be willing to open their land to hunting and allow pheasant stocking. One guy I know goes to Goodwill and buys old pie plates, gathers apples from old orchards (the price is right) and makes them into apple pies, which he then uses to bribe/sweet-talk landowners into opening their land. Seriously. As it is a lot of the cover is "suboptimal" at best - juniper thickets under a long-distance high tension line, swamps, and occasionally farm fields. We get some holdover birds, depending on how rough the winters are.

Almost all the stocking work is done by the guys from the rod and gun clubs. This involves meeting the truck from the hatchery and taking the crated birds in the volunteers' pickup trucks to the release sites, then turning them loose. The total load for each stocking is one F350 towing a large-ish landscaper's trailer loaded with crated birds, i.e., about 750 birds per load. The state stocked 2300 birds last year. http://www.maine.gov/ifw/hunting_trapping/hunting/pheasant.htm
You can suss out that the program is selling maybe 2000 or 2500 stamps, maybe 3000.

Maine buys its birds from a commercial hatchery/raising operation in another state. At one time, the birds were raised here by volunteers (not state employees), but getting volunteers from a gun club to turn into poultry farmers is a hard sell. It's hard enough to get them to come to a monthly meeting let alone feed and water and protect a couple thousand pheasants on a daily basis. They have other, paying jobs. It wound up being 5 or 6 guys doing all the work. A few years ago when the volunteers in charge lost heart after some mink got into the pens and raised all kinds of [censored], the state went to buying birds. The one year the state had to buy more birds after the flock tested positive for a mosquito-borne illness and had to be destroyed.

Sometimes they're good flyers (like last year) and sometimes not so much (like 4-5 years ago).

Most if not all fish and game departments are primarily judged on and evaluate their own success on the results of deer season and the strength of their deer herd. Pennsylvania is one. (The Dakotas are the biggest exception in my opinion.) Pheasants take a distant second, third or fourth (behind turkeys and other big game). As it is, right now the PA guys who buy a license so they can hunt deer on the first day and the Saturdays of the season are subsidizing everything else. If you go to a pheasant stamp you will quickly find out how many guys are willing to part with another $25. (Not many. Surprisingly few.) The Game Commission will, too, and they will quickly adjust their priorities. And you won't see hundreds of thousands of birds being stocked ever again, nor will you see much research time, effort or money spent on restoring the populations that used to exist.

You don't have to believe me, but what I've told you is true.
 

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I don't agree considering the grouse/woodcock hunting opportunities in Maine far exceed those in PA. Impossible to compare Me to Pa for pheasants.

Me gets 2,300 birds with a stamp... Pa 230,000 no stamp. PGC needs an increase in license fees. Yet spends 4-6 MILLION on pheasants...EACH YEAR.

I'm in favor of the stockinbg but there has got to be some responsibility on the part of hunters and especially pheasant hunters to dig a little deeper. And most pheasant hunters in this State see that and agree with it. And so does the PGC Pheasant Plan.
 

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I look at it the same ways as a trout stamp. The resource costs money to produce and those that want to partake in the resource should have to help pay for it. I do not pheasant hunt, so I would prefer if the PGC spent the money elsewhere
 

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Laylow said:
I agree let's have a night crawler stamp, a mushroom picking stamp, hickory or acorn picking stamp, ginseng stamp, crawdad stamp, sun fish stamp, perch stamp and I think we will all be happy happy.
Exactly.... These are all things the PGC does not produce or cultivate for specific make and take game.... So there should be a stamp
 

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every year when I buy my license I get stuck with 1 worthless antlered deer tag and 2 useless turkey stamps.

I have to buy them even though I don't want any of them and would rather see my license dollars go to other species.

so how about this
EVERYTHING gets a tag wanna hunt yotes ?buy a tag.
you wanna hunt fox ? buy a tag. grouse and woodcock ?buy 2 tags. ducks geese? 2 more tags.

when you buy your license you get 3 free tags of your choice
any others you want ?fork out cash.
then nobody has to pay for anything they don't want
 

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These are ridiculous analogies. Everything that is hunted in PA occurs naturally-except for pheasants. And there is only a select smaller group who pursues them. There is no effort or expense for squirrels, rabbits, bears, turkeys OR MUSHROOMS to be provided in the first place. NONE. It is only peasants. Just like the trout. A stamp makes sense.
 

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I don't really no what to think about a stamp. But if they go to a stamp system, if you don't have a stamp and you can't shoot a pheasant, then you should not have to pay anything towards a pheasant to be raised. Pay to play. As talked about before the money taken in for stamps determines the numbers of birds raised to be released. When you do this you would be lucky to get even ten percent of the birds you get stocked. At that point maybe more effort would get done to promote wild pheasants that could reproduce huntable numbers. As for the lower number of birds stocked on a pay to play setup, most would be killed by predators before the hunters that paid for them got a chance. Those poor hawks that rely on the large pheasant releases , would have a harder time finding as many pheasants also. Take the millions spent on the domestic pheasants and buy more land for game lands. Would you rather spend money on land that you can use over and over and that should increase in value or spend it on a domestic pheasant, that has a good likelihood of being killed by a predator before you. Also if they do go to a stamp system it may be good to let junior hunters hunt without a stamp.
 

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It seems like the biggest gripe from the OP is that there are less stocked pheasants and more volunteer work has to be done by those who want to hunt them. Personally, that seems like the ideal situation. Pheasants aren't native to the state, and very few reproduce in the wild. Populations can't be sustained, so it makes sense to me to do the same thing with pheasants that are done with trout in this state. That 4-5 million a year would be better spent on habitat improvements on game lands in my opinion.
 

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I hunt pheasants on rare occasions. Depends on how my archery hunting is going.

I support the stamp. Our PGC spends quite heavily on this put and take proposition, even though small game hunter numbers have decreased dramatically over the years.
 

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When I first heard talk of a pheasant stamp, I was dead set against it. But, when I read all of what it involves cost wise to raise pheasants (something like $41 per bird), I started to understand the reasoning behind a stamp. Now mind you, I will never go around spouting off that I want to pay more for something, but I guess I can accept the fact that someday I will have to pay extra to hunt pheasants. I will do so and not regret it so long as I can enjoy my sport the way it is now. I have to agree with the OP in that once the PGC gauges how much interest it really has in pheasant hunting(the info from stamp sales will tell them), I do believe you will suddenly see the quality of your hunts take a sharp down turn. I noticed this when the trout stamp took effect years ago. Suddenly less trout were being stocked. I feel this will happen with pheasants as well. The PGC will get its info and will decide that maybe not as many birds will be required to satisfy those who bought a stamp, because undoubtedly some people will stop pheasant hunting if they have to pay extra for the privilege. Less money going to stamps will equal less birds in the fields. It will happen.

My opinion, if the PGC needs more money for pheasant hunting, then maybe they should look into the private sector to raise birds and introduce competition amongst the breeders to drive costs down.
 

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I am 100% for a pheasant stamp & hunt pheasants avidly. The stamp is needed to supplement the coast of the program. As for buying birds from the private breeders it has already been looked into an offers no savings. I do not believe it will end up in less birds being stocked. the stamp is there to supplement the program not pay the entire cost. The reason less trout are being stocked is because of the financial situation the PF&BC is in. the same will probably happen to the PGC in the near future & less birds will be stocked.
 

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kudu58 said:
These are ridiculous analogies. Everything that is hunted in PA occurs naturally-except for pheasants. And there is only a select smaller group who pursues them. There is no effort or expense for squirrels, rabbits, bears, turkeys OR MUSHROOMS to be provided in the first place. NONE. It is only peasants. Just like the trout. A stamp makes sense.
I don't hunt pheasants - but those who do - should pay extra - to support their pasttime - which is nothing more than a Money Pit.

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IMO - the PGC has no need to gauge the # of hunters interested in pheasants - because they know every bird stocked is quickly dispatched by hawks, owls , or yotes...

Quite the predator feeding program.

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kudu58 said:
These are ridiculous analogies. Everything that is hunted in PA occurs naturally-except for pheasants. And there is only a select smaller group who pursues them. There is no effort or expense for squirrels, rabbits, bears, turkeys OR MUSHROOMS to be provided in the first place. NONE. It is only peasants. Just like the trout. A stamp makes sense.
...I'm glad to see someone gets it. I could not have said it any better myself. And yes I will buy a stamp, even though I may only hunt pheasants once or twice a year anymore, if at all.
 

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HD1969, if they would let the hawks and owls be controlled as in the past, they would not need to stock so many pheasants, to feed the high number of predators. Pheasants would probably just reproduce on their own, and we would just hunt the wild birds. I wonder what number of pheasants that are stocked actually make it to the hunters bag, and what number go to predators. I thought the banding program was suppose to get information on this. What surprises me the most is some hunters just hope for more birds being stocked to cover up the problem caused by uncontrolled predation.
 

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kudu58 said:
In Russia, China, Cuba and a few other countries you would be right. But this is the U.S. where opinions do matter. And this is a discussion board....where opinions are offered and discussed.
doesn't change the fact that a majority posters in this thread state the same thing.
welcome to the communist block comrade
 
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