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I have a story from Sunday that I would like to share that my brother experienced. It really makes me angry.

Sunday, my brother was on his way back to Warren after our family Christmas party at around 8:30. North of Tionesta and just south of West Forest High School he approched a doe laying on the edge of the road with its head held high. He turned his vehicle around to assess the situation. The deers back was obviously broken, but the deer was very aware and alert. He called me to give him the North West District Game Commission Offices phone number. I must say, that I told him that "they were not going to do anything about it", but he wanted the number anyway. To make a long story a little shorter, he called the office and the dispatcher told him that "I will contact the officer in that district" and "get it handled"! Will this was all unfolding he had 3 little girls with him that were obviously very concerned for the suffering of the deer. Well, as I told him nothing would happen, here is what did happen. Driving down the same road the next morning to work at 7:20, the same deer was laying on the edge of the road with its head held high!! The game commission did nothing, didnt go out, didnt do the humane thing and end the animals suffering. I must ask, what are they doing? A law abiding sportsman went through the proper channels to do right by law and most importantly do right by the animal. This action, or I must say this "non-action" really makes me sick. I respect their athority, but what are they there for? Is it just a money making machine? Look for ways to write citations? What is my brother supposed to tell the 3 young girls that were in the vehicle with him? "Nobody did anything", it "layed there for at least 11 hours" with a broken back suffering along side the road?? He didnt have a gun with him to end the suffering himself, but that is illegal anyhow. The gc wonders why they have a bad name, not only from illegal hunters, but also slowly but surely losing the law abiding sportsman that they desperatly need on their side over stupid, disgusting things like this. I can guarantee you next time that they will not receive the phone call, although they may receive a call that there was a gun shot at 8:30pm. I bet they would have been burning some gas in a hurry after receiving that call!!

VERY DISAPPOINTED AND DISGUSTED!!!
 

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Why dont you call the NWRO and ask the L.E Supervisor?
 

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State Police responded within 15minutes to "end the suffering" of a buck struck by a vehicle in my area. Call went thru 911, patched into barracks directly. Animal expired before the officer arrived, but nevertheless they responded in a timely matter.
 

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littlepaint,
I do understand your frustration, in prior years you could have called a real Pa Game Warden direct on his private number, and he would have responded, it is a shame what has happened. Not only did the Deer suffer for numerous hours, but it probably went to waste, because noboy got to eat the meat. I know men in these mountains who would dispatch the Deer load it in the pick up and
drive on. Too bad it was not done, on top of that the girls
now have little respect for the Game commission after watching what really happened.
Pine Creek/Dave
 

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Had the same situation, my non-hunting friend hit a deer with his car breaking its back on the way to work. There was pretty deep snow and it left a drag mark where it pulled itself down over the bank and stopped although the deer itself wasn't visible from the road. He told me about it and called the PGC reporting where it was (easy to find just before an intersection) and that it was still alive. Three days later he came in very distraught and pleaded with me to take care of it because he looked and it was still there alive. After work I went with my gun, found the drag mark, I could see where that day it had freshly pulled itself from where it had been laying, there were also another set of fresh boot prints approaching it from the side. The drag mark ended where it dropped off into a deep swollen fast flowing creek. From the veering of the human tracks towards the creek it looked like the deer started to pull itself when it saw the other person coming and made it to the creek before the person got there as the boot prints veered right to the point where the deer went into the water. It either drowned or got shot as it got washed away. The deer wasn't visible and it hadn't been removed. I assume the boot prints were PGC.
 

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Call the local pd next time or the state police. Tell them a deer has been hit and is causing a disturbance on the berm of the traveled roadway. A cop will be there in short order and end it quickly.

Last time it happened to me, I called local pd because I knew the action would be swift. Nothing against the PGC. It is just manpower and location.
 

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thats why i carry a razor sharp hunting knife in my glove box. that and to clean my nails.
 

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Same thing happened a few year ago. Someone called the PSP but I dispatched the deer with my knife, effortlessly, without any commotion. The police showed up withing 10 minutes, and asked where the dear was, I told him the story, he said thank you, contact the pgc to get the permission to take it if wanted. Some guy jumped out of his truck, said he'd take it, grabbed the dear and was gone.
I'll take a deer hit with a 100 grain broad head, or a 165 gr. btsp, but a 5000 pound car is a bit much.
 

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dpms said:
Call the local pd next time or the state police. Tell them a deer has been hit and is causing a disturbance on the berm of the traveled roadway. A cop will be there in short order and end it quickly.

Last time it happened to me, I called local pd because I knew the action would be swift. Nothing against the PGC. It is just manpower and location.
Exactly!
 

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Years back a doe was hit on the highway at 7-8 AM and severally injured. The local police were called they advised to call the PGC that was done...left message....no response. 8 PM that evening doe still along side of the road unable to stand.

Flagged a state cop down on an adjacent highway and explained the incident..he appeared very discussed we had bothered him saying don't tell me call the PGC. They were again called left message. The local police were called after driving to another pay phone....again indicated they would respond...10 PM no one responded....A good brave sportsman appeared and performed the duty at his own risk.
 

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littlepaint said:
I have a story from Sunday that I would like to share that my brother experienced. It really makes me angry.

Sunday, my brother was on his way back to Warren after our family Christmas party at around 8:30. North of Tionesta and just south of West Forest High School he approched a doe laying on the edge of the road with its head held high. He turned his vehicle around to assess the situation. The deers back was obviously broken, but the deer was very aware and alert. He called me to give him the North West District Game Commission Offices phone number. I must say, that I told him that "they were not going to do anything about it", but he wanted the number anyway. To make a long story a little shorter, he called the office and the dispatcher told him that "I will contact the officer in that district" and "get it handled"! Will this was all unfolding he had 3 little girls with him that were obviously very concerned for the suffering of the deer. Well, as I told him nothing would happen, here is what did happen. Driving down the same road the next morning to work at 7:20, the same deer was laying on the edge of the road with its head held high!! The game commission did nothing, didnt go out, didnt do the humane thing and end the animals suffering. I must ask, what are they doing? A law abiding sportsman went through the proper channels to do right by law and most importantly do right by the animal. This action, or I must say this "non-action" really makes me sick. I respect their athority, but what are they there for? Is it just a money making machine? Look for ways to write citations? What is my brother supposed to tell the 3 young girls that were in the vehicle with him? "Nobody did anything", it "layed there for at least 11 hours" with a broken back suffering along side the road?? He didnt have a gun with him to end the suffering himself, but that is illegal anyhow. The gc wonders why they have a bad name, not only from illegal hunters, but also slowly but surely losing the law abiding sportsman that they desperatly need on their side over stupid, disgusting things like this. I can guarantee you next time that they will not receive the phone call, although they may receive a call that there was a gun shot at 8:30pm. I bet they would have been burning some gas in a hurry after receiving that call!!

VERY DISAPPOINTED AND DISGUSTED!!!
They do things like this because they and the police and maybe even you have a UNION or bargining unit that says they can't work more than 40 hr a week unless overtime has been approved. So with the GC officer he just got off 2 weeks of deer season were he may have worked 40-50 hours a week (5-10 hrs of his own time) and wasn't called because the dispatcher knew the OT would not be approved and the deputys had put in the same hours so it would wait until monday of the new work week.

Lf they had more deputys (hint - think about volunteering) some animals would not have to suffer for long periods of time. Or call the local/state police and maybe the next shift will take care of it.
 

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Had a similar incident almost a year ago. Would have been faster to drive home to get a gun and return. I got the farmer there to call his son to come and he did with a 22 mag. But just as he was about to end the misery (two broken rear legs) a local cop shows up and says we have to wait until the PGC gives permission. 15 minutes later the cop says "this is nuts" and shoots the deer. I help the farmer's son load up the 5 pt. I can see that it is sometimes not a proper area to shoot a deer because of riccochets, traffic, bystanders etc.
 

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Sorry to say sometimes the doing right thing isnt the right thing to do.maybe handle it a little differently next time,JUST SAYIN
 

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The situation you describe is pretty much unexcusable unless the WCO and Deputies were busy with other official business. I dont condone breaking the law, but I would have dispatched the animal.
It's like breaking the speed limit to get someone to a hospital to save their life. Both are against the law but are probably the right thing to do.
 

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One Sunday (my scheduled day off that week) in the Spring of 2011 there was a doe with a broken back lyin' along the road. I got the call, responded and did my job.

One Friday evening(after my 8 hrs.)during the summer of 2011 the wife and I were on our way out to spend an evening together, small deer hit with a car. I got the call, turned around, went home, responded and did my job.

One Thursday (my golf league day), late summer, right before T-time I received a call about a buck with broken front legs laying next to the road. I left before teeing off, responded and did my job.

One winter I had the flu, lying in bed with a fever and all the good stuff, I got a call, responded, and did my job.



You rarely hear about all the calls that WERE answered... when the WCO did in fact respond. Calls that interupted a kids baseball game, or changed the plans of a man and wife going to church services on Sunday morning, or calls that get you out of bed, away from the puke bucket with a 103 degree temp.

We took this job expecting long hours and late night call outs, missing birthdays, graduations, and anniversaries, but you have to realize that we are human too. Sometimes a family member passes away, an Officer is visiting a dying loved one in the hospital, or wrong directions or addresses are given to an incident. I can assure you that the Officer wasn't sitting at home watching the Steelers lose thinking "that deer can wait, I'm not going".




You never hear about the calls that WERE answered......
 

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Had a similar situation several years ago, but when I dialed the number I found in the local phone book, it automatically transferred to an phone-porn line. When I finally got a "real" number and explained what their published number was doing, the response I got was "what do you want me to do about it?"

I wondered if I'd have gotten more satisfaction from the first call....
 

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Did anyone ever think that perhaps Game Wardens have lives besides just sitting around waiting for someone to call them out to kill an injured deer?

WCOs sometimes travel many miles to go visit family on Sundays and might even stay until Monday before they return home to even notice that they would have had a call-out had they been home to get the call. Many districts don’t even have any deputies let alone one that can be reached every time one is needed to respond to an incident.

Besides at least in some regions they don’t even call the WCO out on an injured deer unless and until they get a second call on it. The reason for that is they got sick of paying WCOs time and half to run out to where there had been an injured deer only to find someone else had already picked it up for the meat. I know for a fact that the vast majority of the injured deer I got called out on, especially during the fall of the year, were long gone before I ever got to them even if I was on duty and responded immediately.

It is unfortunate when any animal has to suffer for extended periods of time from injuries they have received but in reality sometimes it just can’t be avoided. I know I have dispatched deer, and other animals, that had made their way well off of the road and out of sight where the evidence indicated they had been there for days and in some cases maybe a week or more before someone even discovered them.

Dick Bodenhorn
 

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Actually had this happen twice....1st time, the local police arrived quickly after calling it in, the officer evaluated the situation and did not waste any time ending the deers misery. No phone calls, no hesitation. 2nd time, different story. Area is patrolled by PSP. I waited 25 mins after calling in and with no show or call back, i did the work myself.
 
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