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There was a ton of fan fare when Rep Metcalf rolled out his bill 357.

Hb <span style="font-weight: bold">357</span> sort of says it all right there - doesn't it?



Yet, now almost three months later in a house controled with a super majority by his own party... backed up with a senate of his own party.... and with a governor of his own party with a great gun record...


HB 357 is MIA.



Check this out:



METCALFE, BAKER, BLOOM, BROOKS, CAUSER, CLYMER, EVERETT, GABLER, GROVE, HAHN, C. HARRIS, HESS, HICKERNELL, KAUFFMAN, F. KELLER, M. K. KELLER, KNOWLES, KRIEGER, MAJOR, MILLARD, MILLER, MOUL, MULLERY, PYLE, SACCONE, SANKEY, STEVENSON, TALLMAN, CUTLER, ROAE, ROCK, MALONEY, ELLIS, MUSTIO, REESE, BENNINGHOFF, EMRICK, METZGAR, JAMES, EVANKOVICH, PAYNE, SWANGER, READSHAW, RAPP, DENLINGER, OBERLANDER, S. H. SMITH, DUNBAR, SAYLOR, MARSHALL, REED, SCAVELLO, MCGINNIS, LUCAS, AUMENT, LAWRENCE, HEFFLEY, COX, PEIFER, FLECK, SCHLEGEL CULVER, GILLEN, MASSER, STERN, PETRARCA, PICKETT, TURZAI, CHRISTIANA, DAY, HARHART, R. BROWN, BOBACK, SIMMONS, BARRAR and MIRABITO

Printer's No.: 357*

Short Title: An Act providing that any Federal law which attempts to register, restrict or ban a firearm or to limit the size of a magazine of a firearm in this Commonwealth shall be unenforceable in this Commonwealth; and imposing penalties.


Actions: PN 0357 Referred to JUDICIARY, <span style="font-weight: bold">Jan. 25, 2013</span>

* denotes Current Printer's Number




So we have a big roll out with a lot of Rep's getting pats on the back.

A lot of Reps getting the nod as Pro Gun legislators.

The voters got a boost (well at least some).


But at nearly the three month mark, not even a hearing on the bill. Out of the news, out of the discussion, and out of sight.


The question needs asked:

Was it a serious bill, or was it a bill to.... garner support by the gun folks for what they wanted to hear at the moment. Remember, we were just coming off the ESOS boycott and the Federal attempts at outlawing our guns was just getting up to full steam.


It is important that we, as gun owners hold our "pro gun elected officials" to their word. That we demand timely action on bills they submit. More so when they submit them in times of high emotion.


More yet - that they act in passing those bills when their party has a clear majority and the governorship.


HB 357 is but one bill. There are several others introduced this year that are good bills that serve to protect and enhance our gun rights.

So far, this Republican General Assembly is a no show on the politics they claim to support. One thing is sure, they did burnish their names as Pro Gun.... now we need them to actually live up to the title.
 

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The HB 357 sponsors:

Lets start asking where this bill is and what the hold up is.

INTRODUCED BY METCALFE, BAKER, BLOOM, BROOKS, CAUSER, CLYMER,
EVERETT, GABLER, GROVE, HAHN, C. HARRIS, HESS, HICKERNELL,
KAUFFMAN, F. KELLER, M. K. KELLER, KNOWLES, KRIEGER, MAJOR,
MILLARD, MILLER, MOUL, MULLERY, PYLE, SACCONE, SANKEY,
STEVENSON, TALLMAN, CUTLER, ROAE, ROCK, MALONEY, ELLIS,
MUSTIO, REESE, BENNINGHOFF, EMRICK, METZGAR, JAMES,
EVANKOVICH, PAYNE, SWANGER, READSHAW, RAPP, DENLINGER,
OBERLANDER, S. H. SMITH, DUNBAR, SAYLOR, MARSHALL, REED,
SCAVELLO, MCGINNIS AND LUCAS, JANUARY 25, 2013
 

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I was told by a Representative's staff member that the language in parts of the bill would have it easily overturned in court and needed some language re-written. That was 4-6 weeks ago.
 

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Gentlemen,
I agree, this bill needs to be passed as soon as possible. What has happened to it?
Pine Creek/Dave
 

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they are being squashed by the national republicians, They're not going to bring this back up until they see where Toomey is going to let them hang. It looks good on the surface, they just don't want to look bad on a national level. Metcalfe was the only politician there on Saturday(chambersburg), no Alloway, no Rock , no sheriff , no police chiefs, no Franklin County commissioners, No Mayors from any Boro in Franklin county. As soon as Metcalfe spoke, he left, walked right by and left, never spoke to the crowd, no "atta boys", no pats on the back, No handshakes, just got his pic taken, and left, I felt slighted .
 

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So party politics over the "we stand by you rhetoric"??


Language is easy to write. Real easy when you have over a month.


We should also not be without the thought that... all the other pro gun bills introduced since the first of the year have also not moved in the house or senate.


Does anyone see a problem here?

Does anyone not think for a second, that we are all going to see ad's in the next election cycle that so and so spoonsored a bill or co-sponsored a bill and fought the good fight?


But in a general Assembly controlled by one party with the governor to go with it - gun owners are still waiting for the first step towards passing a bill. A committee hearing on 357 or any other bill -

All we have at this point is talk. No action. Te press releases, back slapping, and lofty language designed to garner support and maybe contributions - thats done.

Metcalf and others - time to do the do or leave for others to actually do the work.


If we want flash in the pan - we can go to the range.
 

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Pine-Creek said:
Gentlemen,
I agree, this bill needs to be passed as soon as possible. What has happened to it?
Pine Creek/Dave
My predicition: The bill is most likely dead and will not even make it on the Judiciary committee calendar. It does however make a strong statement by the sponsoring members that the Feds should not try to impose their crap here in PA and also sends a message to the would be democratic gun grabbers to not waste their time drafting anti gun bills. I think house leadership is mostly avoiding the gun debate, however HB1162 made it into committee and while it looks innocent on its face, it could set the stage for full blown gun registration. People need to watch for the incremental attacks on our freedom. Accordingly, I wish someone would come up with a softer version of HB357 which could get into committee.
 

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Sorry, they should have saved the effort.

A bait and switch is not the way to fight for our rights.

ACTION is. Submit bills that are real, not about building a name, and can pass.

Basically, HB 357 is a feel good bill that was done shortly after the bill was submitted. Metcalf and others only threw a bit of gas on the emotion of those feeling put upon. But in the end, he did the same thing here.


All - action is where it is. Not good intentions, not wishful thinking.

It is equally important to realize that no politician can be pigeon holed solely on the R or D after their name.


Each of us, as individuals, need to be contacting our reps and holding them accountable.


Lip service is cheap. Leadership and commitment is what it takes to make law. But, leadership has to be more than a slogan seen every four years on a yard sign.


Refuse to be a patsy for the elected. Contact them and demand they follow up on this bill and others.

Rest assured, the other side is just as active and better organized.
 

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Even if it passed, it was pretty much worthless because states are not allowed to pass laws that are illegal at the federal level. The fed laws trump everything, supposedly.

Except for laws the feds don't want to bother to enforce like illegal immigration and marijuana. Arizona tried to pass stricter illegal immigration laws and the feds struck it down even though the feds aren't enforcing the laws on the books. Several states now have legal marijuana and the feds haven't done anything to stop it.

Now when it comes to guns, you KNOW the gun grabbers would have a fit if our state decided to go against them.
 
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