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Why won't people believe that flintlocks are for regular black power ?
Why are there so many whom are going to try to use 777 or Pyrodex pellets or loose stuff !
And you just know these are not the older folks going to try to use it ?
I just give up even reading a thread when some one ask about using the stuff.
 

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When I bought my first flintlock, the gun shop owner told me the way to go was loose 777 or clearshot powder as they cleaned up much easier, so I bought a pound. Now he may have been right, but....

The first time I shot my rifle I was with my uncle. My uncle then told me to get rid of that stuff and just use real black powder instead. His reasoning was if you have a can of black powder sitting on a shelf for 30+ years and then try to use it, all of its combustible properties are just like they were when the powder was new. He said the book wasn't finished being written on the new propellants and you had no idea of the shelf life of those powders. Having heard all of that, it all made sense to me and if 500+ years of history showed anything, it was that black powder is a fine propellant and didn't need replaced by some new-fangled fad. Any my flintlock works just as designed with black powder.
 

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depending on which flintlock someone is asking about its not a dumb question. The Traditions PA Pellet line is designed to use 777 or Pyrodex. They are basically an inline with using a flint instead of a primer. Even have the same twist rate. Now if its something other then that line, I'm guessing they weren't given the best advice.
 

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When I bought my first flintlock, the gun shop owner told me the way to go was loose 777 or clearshot powder as they cleaned up much easier, so I bought a pound. Now he may have been right, but....

The first time I shot my rifle I was with my uncle. My uncle then told me to get rid of that stuff and just use real black powder instead. His reasoning was if you have a can of black powder sitting on a shelf for 30+ years and then try to use it, all of its combustible properties are just like they were when the powder was new. He said the book wasn't finished being written on the new propellants and you had no idea of the shelf life of those powders. Having heard all of that, it all made sense to me and if 500+ years of history showed anything, it was that black powder is a fine propellant and didn't need replaced by some new-fangled fad. Any my flintlock works just as designed with black powder.
Your Uncle was a smart man, as are you for listening. I tried using 777 in my flintlock as a newbie and it resulted in the invention of new swear words.

I use synthetic powder in the form of Blackhorn 209 in my heretic muzzleloader (read: inline) because the performance is excellent. That said, 777 and a lot of others have been known to get flaky when they sit on the shelf for too long. Like your Uncle said, you can discharge a load of real black powder that has sat in a flintlock since the Golden Age and get reliable ignition to the exact same specs as the day it was loaded. That, and it's dramatically more reliable with the lower flash of a traditional ignition system.
 

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I tried 777 loose in my pa pellet last year. It fired fine and was very easy to clean. You get more “bang” with less powder. I found tighter groups with 3f goex. Clean up is no big deal with the removable breach plug.
 

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Can someone tell me what "easier to clean" means in a flintlock?

Specifically, how does it get easier? A patch or two less to run through it? You still have to clean fouling out of the bore, and cleaning a flintlock shot using blackpowder is not hard work to begin with.

I read in places about hunters putting some 4f under pellets to get proper ignition of pellet form propoellant, and wonder if the juice is worth the squeeze here.
 

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Not sure if it's moisture or what, but I've noticed a difference between new and old black powder in terms of cleanliness. Last year I was getting low on my 20 year old can of 2F and bought a new can. The new stuff seemed much cleaner burning, I.E. less fouling.
 

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Can someone tell me what "easier to clean" means in a flintlock?

Specifically, how does it get easier? A patch or two less to run through it? You still have to clean fouling out of the bore, and cleaning a flintlock shot using blackpowder is not hard work to begin with.

I read in places about hunters putting some 4f under pellets to get proper ignition of pellet form propoellant, and wonder if the juice is worth the squeeze here.
I didn’t shoot a lot of 777 but my at range cleanings two passes with a brush and two with a wet patch and then dry. Pulled the breech plug plug and could whip it easily with a damp cloth.
 

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. Last year I was getting low on my 20 year old can of 2F and bought a new can.

Twenty years? Wow. I go through a pound about every two months.
 

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Why won't people believe that flintlocks are for regular black power ?
Why are there so many whom are going to try to use 777 or Pyrodex pellets or loose stuff !
And you just know these are not the older folks going to try to use it ?
I just give up even reading a thread when some one ask about using the stuff.
I was a Goex user for almost 20 years. A couple of my buddies who shoot at the Friendship NMLRA shoot clued me into Swiss Black Powder. I found out that Dixons carried it and bought a pound of 2fg. Chuck Dixon said it's the closest thing to smokeless you will ever find. Man was he ever right!! It so much cleaner vs Goez finding I use less than half the number of patches swabbing bore. Granulation is more consistent plus due to it clean burning properties you can back off a comparable Goex load by 10%. I gave away all the stored Goex I had and went 100% Swiss. If you have a chance to try Swiss...I'm sure you won't be disappointed!!
 

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I have heard great stuff about Swiss and the OP may want to give it a chance, too.

I want to try some myself, but the problem is price/availability. Where I live now, it would have to be a special order or a serious bulk buy. I'll want to test it out with basic load development before I commit to a large lot.
 

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Not sure if it's moisture or what, but I've noticed a difference between new and old black powder in terms of cleanliness. Last year I was getting low on my 20 year old can of 2F and bought a new can. The new stuff seemed much cleaner burning, I.E. less fouling.

Was cleaning out a room at the homestead this summer and found a old red & white can of Goex 2F my dad had 30 years ago. Price sticker $6.95, Ackley's Sporting Goods. I bought a plastic jar of it last year for $29.95. The price has changed. That's for sure.
 
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