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I tried to tell everyone what was coming and so did many others, but my post got deleted. Must be some liberals at the helm here. and this is only the beginning
 

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crappie-hunter said:
I tried to tell everyone what was coming and so did many others, but my post got deleted. Must be some liberals at the helm here. and this is only the beginning
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So did they ban more drilling or just the signing of new leases with the state? will they be able to drill on existing leases?
 

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I'm getting mixed signals from different, current articles on it. This one seems to be a bit more informative:

http://powersource.post-gazette.com/powe...es/201501290301

Appears right now they must honor existing leases or get sued (covers about 700,000 acres of state land) for breach of contract. Wolf's appointed a new liberal as DCNR Secretary, so she's his lacky, and all over this. Appears right now that he's gonna ban not just drilling leases, but fracking leases too, so they can't even drill next door to state land and go under to get it. The state loses huge incomes, including the PGC. You'll still see fracking in PA as there's only about 4 million acres of state land here, in a state of about 29 million acres. Most of that public land is in the Marcellus areas though. Jobs will be greatly reduced between this and the fall of fuel prices.
 

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The ban does not include SGLs.
Link to exec order:
exec order

The state actually does not own most of their mineral rights (PGC only 25% or so?). PA law is in favor of the mineral right owner (for now, as impact fees for drilling access to public lands have been floated in the past in the legislature) . Here is a link to a lenghly article explaining (I think this was published around the time of the rendell ban?):
history article

In my opinion you will see limited drilling in\under state parks at this time because there are many other "easy pickings" in the state and the negetive publicity it will cause the industry. State forests are a different story. Strictly my opinion.

Here is a brief article that kind of explains the "shell game" going on:
follow the $

I personally view the exec order as lip service to the enviromental supporters of Wolf. Much of the public land that could be leased has already been leased.

On the other hand, the appointment of Quigley to DEP secretary (if confirmed) could very well slow\ halt drilling public lands if the DEP permitting procedure (already lengthily) become more obtrusive. Quigley was not exactly a drill-baby-drill guy during his stint with the DCNR if I rember correctly.

Hope this helps give a little explanation?. Complex and controversial subject that I in no way claim to fully understand.
 

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My question is this. Where is the legality of the executive order in regards to use? Its not the governors land, it's all of ours, maintained with tax money. Therefore, shouldn;t these isuse go through Congress?

I honestly don;t know what our state constitution says on this. I have yet to research the issue personally, but it is on my list.
 

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holedigger said:
I'm getting mixed signals from different, current articles on it. This one seems to be a bit more informative:

http://powersource.post-gazette.com/powe...es/201501290301
yep, pretty good explanation. Here is another from same source from last week that explains how also Wolf does not have the authority to ban, as the court recently ruled this is the responsibility of the DCNR. court ruling

So, I look at the court ruling as a parallel for the PGC; the PGC has the authority to lease or not (even though the ban did not include the SGLs). Ahhh, but if the DEP doesn't want to approve the permit????......
 

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crappie-hunter said:
I tried to tell everyone what was coming and so did many others, but my post got deleted. Must be some liberals at the helm here. and this is only the beginning
If your post was deleted in the past 48hrs, it was due to a major server issue we experienced causing the loss of a full day's posts as noted by the global post RB made at the top of all forums.
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Thanks for making folks aware of our issue on Wed 4C, I thought the global would handle it,guess not...

And crappie hunter thanks for the morning laugh...me liberal huh?? LOL. Yeah.. if you will excuse me I got go put on my Hillary2016 bumper stickers.
 

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By the way, as an OGM owner if the state wants to take their PA acreage off the table that does not exactly make me angry. Government owned lands and rights already affect too many markets...gas, timber, mineral etc..IMO

Ok off to the range to break in the new Colt CSR....
glad i got my morning laugh.
 

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Got no problem with that at all. State owned lands belong to all of us and I know it ain't a popular stance with the politics of most on this board. There are still many folks, that are pretty smart, that are not convinced of the safety of the fracking process and until that becomes conclusive, I would rather leave these lands be. There's a lot to be said for environmental caution, especially those of us who use and enjoy these lands regularly. No objection to what you guys want to do on your own land.
 

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So you would prefer it stay bust? That's so generous of you. How many family farms have been saved because of the oil/gas money given to families? Extraction can be done safely, when a company fail to do it safely then they need to be fined so much it almost puts them out of business and the executives need to have charges put against them. But to ban it because you THINK it may hurt the environment is wrong headed thinking.
 

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Got no problem with that at all. State owned lands belong to all of us and I know it ain't a popular stance with the politics of most on this board. There are still many folks, that are pretty smart, that are not convinced of the safety of the fracking process and until that becomes conclusive,
Just a question to you and anyone thinking like this.

How long before its conclusive? Its been going on in some form or another across the US and in PA for about a hundred years now, how much longer do you need?
 

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Got no problem with that at all. State owned lands belong to all of us and I know it ain't a popular stance with the politics of most on this board. There are still many folks, that are pretty smart, that are not convinced of the safety of the fracking process and until that becomes conclusive, I would rather leave these lands be. There's a lot to be said for environmental caution, especially those of us who use and enjoy these lands regularly. No objection to what you guys want to do on your own land.
While the state may own the acreage, the mineral rights on a lot of the state forests and game lands are owned by others, not the state. They have the rights to drill in some of these areas.
 

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Seeing as there has been NO issues from fracking in our county, we're perfectly happy here. A few malcontents in the Dimock area don't speak for the rest of the thousands involved. BTW, don't believe the John Fox works of fiction in Gasland and Gasland II. You get more truth out of the funny papers on a Sunday!! The less drilling that goes on elsewhere just makes our area that much more $$ and I'm fine with that.
 
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