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Yeah, listen to the experts.

I really don't think you could write a comedy skit any more screwed up than this "crisis" has been handled by the "professionals", the "experts".

I don't know about anyone else, but I'd rather hear "we don't really know what's going on" than to be told something is fact this week, then next week it's not. Just sthu until you know, this guessing game makes you all look like idiots.

We did listen to the experts, again. And they were wrong, again. Please admonish me for not listening to them, again. Thanks in advance.
 

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I agree with yellodog, they are gropping in the dark for whatever the fact of the day is. They can't consult C19 "experts" until someone actually knows enough about this thing to BE an expert.

It's obvious they are politicising this whole thing to twist it around to defame our president, a fruitless endeavor considering they aren't expert at that either!

As yellodog alluded to, shut up until you know what you're dealing with, and that time has passed, the curve is going down, so give it up and put people back to work before we have to all depend on a socialist government.

And just food for thought: With thousands of spring break participants nose to nose on Florida beaches, why aren't they all dead, or at least hospitalized like the "experts" predicted?
 

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I think most professionals try and prepare us for the worst case scenario. It has been clear from the beginning that there are no "experts" on this type of thing. Nobody alive today remembers a pandemic that is this bad. I think they are kind of bumbling around in the dark somewhat. Which really is not surprising. Where they are really going to struggle is when they must decide between a certain level of mortality and the continued success of society. We clearly cannot go on under these conditions with any hope of people thriving and moving forward. A certain level of fatalities are now built into our success as a society (well, there always was a certain level of acceptable mortality but now that level is going to go up). We need to accept that and get moving fully again.
 

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Heard a story years ago, about a brilliant literature historian who did his doctoral thesis about some aspect of Shakespeare sonnets. He was denied the doctorate, because at the time, no one knew as much as he about the subject and their was no group of experts with enough knowledge review his thesis. Sort of like the "Rona" as the staff at the local hospital call it. (My wife just named one of our expectant cows, "Rona") If the docs in Europe are correct and the MERS vaccine is effective against "Rona" think of the lives that have been lost fiddle farting around.
 

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Is it really "this bad"?

No, it isn't. It's been hyped that way though.
In terms of numbers of people infected, I think the last one that approached this level was the spanish flu pandemic of 1918. Or course, that assumes the numbers we are told are accurate...which certainly isn't a sure thing.
 

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I find it funny how everyone accepts the numbers from 1918 but reject the numbers from 2020. Like there were no advancements in tracking deaths or recording cases. Were all the deaths in 198 really from the flu? Did they test them all or just accept it. Today the news is trying to report anything as fast as they can because we have so many news sources catering to specific target audiences all for the sake of the almighty dollar. Fact checking is now left up to the individual not the source.

We get news so fast today, (in some cases before it is official or happened via "leak") yet it takes us longer to get the real true news or information. That is not counting the spin when it gets relayed second hand. No one cares what happened they just care if it fits an agenda. If it don't fit it is cast out as fake. If it is fake and fits it is accepted.



The problems with the numbers IMHO is they are reported from multiple sources when it should be from one source. The leaks are getting more press than the official tabulations. ( assuming there is one in place) Waugh!
 

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I find it funny how everyone accepts the numbers from 1918 but reject the numbers from 2020. Like there were no advancements in tracking deaths or recording cases. Were all the deaths in 198 really from the flu? Did they test them all or just accept it. Today the news is trying to report anything as fast as they can because we have so many news sources catering to specific target audiences all for the sake of the almighty dollar. Fact checking is now left up to the individual not the source.
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There were deniers in 1918 too. Some areas took it seriously, took preventative actions, and it helped.


Other areas didn't, and some paid a heavy price. One of those areas was Philadelphia.
 

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In 1918 there was probably more than one person that crawled down a hole and died of the flu and never even found....definitely a different time. 35% of US homes had a telephone and less than 10% owned a car. Communication of information would have been incomplete, to say the least.
 

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In 1918 there was no government incentive to falsify the reporting.

The change in control meant that the Republicans could deny entry of the United States into the League of Nations. American participation in this new international institution was the centerpiece of Wilson's post-war foreign policy. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1918_United_States_Senate_elections



Due to these widespread bans, many candidates in the 1918 midterms could not campaign in the typical way. Barred in many cases from holding rallies or speaking events, they were forced to rely on less direct forms of communication, including seeking out newspaper coverage or sending campaign literature through the mail.

Some candidates even accused public health officials of trying to influence the election by limiting turnout.


Patriotism aside,only around 40 percent of eligible U.S. voters cast their ballots on November 5, 1918, compared with 50 percent in the previous midterm. Republicans won control of both the House and Senate for the first time since 1908, marking a major defeat for Wilson and his foreign policy agenda. https://www.history.com/news/1918-pandemic-midterm-elections


But ya you are probably right No one had anything to gain. >:) Waugh!
 

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In 1918 there was probably more than one person that crawled down a hole and died of the flu and never even found....definitely a different time. 35% of US homes had a telephone and less than 10% owned a car. Communication of information would have been incomplete, to say the least.

I agree and don't forget we still had people dying from other causes but there was a ban on funerals so the bodies were stacked with the others on the curb and the wagons came by and took them away. No coroner check or swab just pick them up tally them up and move on. Waugh!
 
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