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I recently talked with someone from this forum about Victory arrows. I have to apologize, but I've forgotten your name already (it's the family curse) Would you please send me a P.M. with your name,address and phone number?
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For everyone that is wondering what is going on here....we have been tinkering with the Victory arrows for a while now. This is the arrow that I have been saying "we have an arrow that shows great promise". Fman has been chosen to do some testing for me. I need to test them in several bows before I release them to everyone. It is my belief that this arrow will replace the G/T Laser II's, pending some more testing.
 

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Here are some specs.
Outside dia.
Laser II= .336
Victory= .342
Inside Dia.
Laser II= .296
Victory= .298
Wall thickness
Laser II= .020
Victory= .022
Straightness tolerance
Laser II= .005
Victory= .003
The Victory will weight in at 416 grains with Fusion Vanes and the 110 grain brass insert. They are going to be $6.25 each.
 

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diablo666 said:
Can I test too?I lost a scope cover so I will be calling you guys again lol.
Diablo666,
Since you were the first one who asked....when the flat nocks come in...you are the "chosen one". I still need to do the final testing in the Excaliburs.

Stay tuned for the final results in the Parker!
 

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Yes, I'm told the Victory are made in the USA. If you measure the old GT's and compare to the Victory...I think you will find they are almost identical.
The quality of the Victory is really good. I think after the testing is complete, we will be replacing the GT's from our lineup. Yes, they shoot that good. My goal is to have them ready before the end of Feb.
 

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The Victory arrows are ready for the Parkers. You will get a more consistent flight and a harder punch downrange. In the tests we were getting more f.p.s. at 30 yards, even though the arrow weighs more and is slower at the barrel. I know that may not seem to make sense.

Here is a little explanation, to help it make sense. All objects drop or fall at exactly the same rate. With the same basic size, the air resistance on each arrow is the same. So, air resistance isn't a factor in this case. Now, here's what happens, air resistance slows the arrow, momentum tries to keep it going, a heavier arrow will have more momentum but the same amount of drag(if arrows are same size, same fletching, etc), so the heavier arrow will slow down less during flight so it will have a slightly flatter trajectory and maintain it's speed farther downrange.
I know that it might seem that the Laser II's are a difficult combination to beat, but I think we've done it. I'm getting better groups with them.
 

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diablo666 said:
Can I test too?I lost a scope cover so I will be calling you guys again lol.
Diablo666, You asked for it.
You have a P.M. We are in the begining stages of testing with the Excalibur, so there is lots of work to be done.
 

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240wide said:
shoot them the other day not impressed at all,after 8 shots knock cut my serving, And the 7 shots I took my grouping was way off.I'll stay with red hots.
Interesting findings 240 wide. I think the issue was with your servings and not the Victory arrows. We haven't had an issue like that at all, with over 600 logged shots through the Parker Tornado. We tested the Victory against the Red Hot and found the Victory to be a superior arrow, in speed,penetration and downrange velocity.
We do lots of tests when we develop a new arrow. We shoot through a chronograph at 20,30 and 40 yards. We test for group size and we measure how far the arrow penetrates into a foam block target. After all my testing was done, I sent them out to others and have them double check my findings. If they come up with similar results, we put them in the store.
 

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Fman said:
I had no problems, wonder what was up? All I can tell ya is the victory's are the best grouping arrows I have ever shot.
Lots of similar results from the Archery Trade Association show too. I think we are going to see alot more of the Victory arrows, being offered by the manufacturers, in the near future.
 

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secret said:
exocet 200 my only crossbow! hes going to refletch some of them with 4" duravanes and see if that helps.
The 4" vanes should help. In our testing we have found that some of the Excals don't like the fusion vanes(or any short vane for that matter), but will shoot the 4 inch vanes perfectly.
Let me explain why I think that will fix your problem.

On the Excal, if one of the limbs isn't matched perfectly to the other....say one limb is one pound heavier...then the string will pull across the nock to that side. You will then need to use the 4 inch vanes to correct the flight of the arrow.
 

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240, you aren't shooting an Excalibur. Every bow is different. We have tested nearly every crossbow out there and they all like something different. There is no one size fits all in crossbow arrows. (especially after you cross the 325 f.p.s. barrier)
Your strykeforce will probably like the Easton Carbon Power with brass inserts and 2 inch Fusion vanes. But, if the Red Hots are working for you, I'd just stay with them. They are excellent arrows.
 

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Secret,
Since you have the old GT Laser II's...is there a way that you can tell me what the inside diameter is? And, the outside diameter? I would really love to have that information, if you have it available.
Also, since you are testing and helping too...if you P.M. me your name and address, I'll send some vanes your way if you tell me how they do.

240,
I think we have been misunderstanding or misreading each others posts. I am in no way endorsing the Victory for use in the Stryker. I am glad you told everyone that it won't work in that bow. The current Victory isn't spined right for use in that bow and I surely don't want to get anyone hurt.

I guess that is why I haven't shared my testing results on an open forum, until now. We tested the Victory since July and had great results with it in the Tornado and most of the other Parkers we tested it in. That is the only bow we have finalized testing in at this point. (and they work awesome!) We haven't tested them in the new Cyclone, so I wouldn't reccommend them in that bow at this point. I will be testing them as soon as I get my hands on a Cyclone though.
 

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I know for us, it seemed like the 320 f.p.s. barrier was a magical turning point. It seemed that once we crossed that speed, everything we thought we knew about arrow flight...suddenly changed and the rules didn't apply.

It also seems to me that, as in 240's case once the 350-360 f.p.s. barrier is crossed there are another set of rules. I know it took alot of trial and error for us to get things going over 350 f.p.s. Most guys are just using a heavy arrow to slow things down to that speed rather than deal with the problems associated with speed over 350 f.p.s.
 
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