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Yep me neither as I along with my family follow the CDC's along with Gov Wolf's guidelines to a T & then some!! Problem is way too many others don't which is why we're currently paying the price of their ignorant noncompliance.
Thought you left the political spectrum Loggy? I could call it ignorant blind compliance.............but I won't. We can't play football because everyone won't wear masks............Wow! Reckon you're waiting it out? Gonna get you anyway. You have a 99.87 chance of surviving it though unless you are still watching cnn, then you'll have brain damage, no smell, no taste, antibodies only last a month, get it over and over, did I miss anything?
"Thought you left the political spectrum Loggy?" Following my Governor's Supreme Court sanctioned Health Emergency Declaration /CDC guidelines is entering the "political spectrum"??? I see ZERO correlation of the two but it's obvious that the existence of such by some is primarily why we now have a serious problem.
 

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Article(below) RE Big 10 Announcement.

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Yes it's unfortunate that PSU will have to drop all sports but football in the near future. I mean that's the only logical conclusion I can come to as it's been repeated many times that they can't do a home and home with Pitt becasue they need the revenue from home games to support their olympic sports. Since they won't be getting that revenue the only conclusion I can draw is they are going to have to drop olympic sports. A shame.
 

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its so safe to play sports, colleges are having athletes sign waivers so they can play. they dont care if your child lives or dies, they want the income !!
Don't sign it then? Is there a gun pointed at their head prior to signing?
 

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Americans only have themselves to blame for why we are still in this mess. We are still clamoring away and trying to put out fires when this virus should have been in the rear view mirror by now if folks did what they are supposed to do. Back in April was our chance to really knock this virus back and open up but we failed miserably due to the many cavalier attitudes that exist in this country.

We will see outbreaks at sports facilities or players testing positive which will result in the fall sports season being pretty much a shadow of it former self. Fall college sports is as much about the fans as it is the players and the games. Without fans and limited schedules, which it sounds like will be standard operating procedure, not sure there is any point to any of it.
Americans have themselves to blame for this mess only in regards to having voted the progressive Democrats into office, settling for indoctrination over education for the last 40 years, and gleefully consuming mainstream media propaganda.

There's no evidence that these "outbreaks" as they're being called are due to eased restrictions more than they are due to the simple math of continually increased testing and the 'methods' of compiling them.
 

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its so safe to play sports, colleges are having athletes sign waivers so they can play. they dont care if your child lives or dies, they want the income !!
So any activity that requires a waiver is reckless, unsafe, shouldn't be done, and the operating agency is immoral because they don't care who dies.
Got it. :rolleyes:
 

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They say that now only confrenence games. Give it sometime that will change to no games played this season. Whats the point in that 4 -5 games played. With what's going on these days with the virus spreading after 1-2 games it would come to a complete stop. I would be concern if I was a student going to play a football game at Temple University for an example. My opinion there be no college football this season. If only people would have followed the keeping there distance and wear a mask. Used your head people.
 

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They say that now only confrenence games. Give it sometime that will change to no games played this season. Whats the point in that 4 -5 games played. With what's going on these days with the virus spreading after 1-2 games it would come to a complete stop. I would be concern if I was a student going to play a football game at Temple University for an example. My opinion there be no college football this season. If only people would have followed the keeping there distance and wear a mask. Used your head people.
I think most people are realizing that it's really not a danger to the general population. There are those that are weighing the .003% chance of dying versus losing their house and way of life and erring on the side of keeping their house.
The biggest problem happens when the government is not letting people weigh that risk for themselves and forcing people to lose their house and way of life.
A student concerned with playing a game at Temple has every right to not play.
 

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There's no evidence that these "outbreaks" as they're being called are due to eased restrictions more than they are due to the simple math of continually increased testing and the 'methods' of compiling them.
Blaming the increased positive cases on more testing is the easy thing to do but does not portray the situation accurately. Within those testing numbers are percent positives. If one wants to be objective, looking at the percentage of positives results of the total tests within a given area tells the tale of weather the virus is spreading, remaining steady, or declining. Across the south, and in many areas of the country currently, the percent positives has risen dramatically.

That is the true indicator for those that want to be objective. The data says this virus is spreading in much of the country and individuals have done a piss poor job of doing their part to reduce transmission as we open the economy.
 

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Blaming the increased positive cases on more testing is the easy thing to do but does not portray the situation accurately. Within those testing numbers are percent positives. If one wants to be objective, looking at the percentage of positives results of the total tests within a given area tells the tale of weather the virus is spreading, remaining steady, or declining. Across the south, and in many areas of the country currently, the percent positives has risen dramatically.

That is the true indicator for those that want to be objective. The data says this virus is spreading in much of the country and individuals have done a piss poor job of doing their part to reduce transmission as we open the economy.
Except that in the beginning you could only get tested if you had symptoms, meaning "likely to have it". So they had no idea what the "actual, non-sympomatic" numbers were, meaning they had no idea what the true percent was. So you can't use those number to compare either. They had no idea that there were so many people that had it but showed no signs whatsoever.
So in reality there could have been a much greater portion of the population that had this in March and now we are blaming the spread on "a piss poor job of doing their part" while the economy is being destroyed.

 

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Except that in the beginning you could only get tested if you had symptoms, meaning "likely to have it".
Right, So the percent positives should have been very high because they were only testing those with symptoms. Now, the percent positives are higher than they were in the beginning in many areas. That tells us this virus is proliferating due to people not giving a **** and not taking precautions as the economies opened up. So here we are.
 

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Right, So the percent positives should have been very high because they were only testing those with symptoms. Now, the percent positives are higher than they were in the beginning in many areas. That tells us this virus is proliferating due to people not giving a **** and not taking precautions as the economies opened up. So here we are.
Should have been? OR, there were a lot of people that were positive and asymptomatic that never got tested then (alluded to in the article I posted), which is why we cannot use data from March/April to compare to now.

Here we are. The death histogram is interesting.


Deaths per day has dropped dramatically. If what I'm reading is correct (I haven't verified it) we are on the cusp of not qualifying for an epidemic, let alone a pandemic. Here we are. A 0.05% chance of dying in PA.

Yes, take it seriously. But not this seriously:

 
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Deaths per day has dropped dramatically. If what I'm reading is correct (I haven't verified it) we are on the cusp of not qualifying for an epidemic, let alone a pandemic. Here we are. A 0.05% chance of dying in PA.
Yes. Deaths rates have been dropping. Largely due to the fact that we have more knowledge of what treatments actually helps patients recover quicker. That is GOOD medicine actually doing what it is supposed to do. Hydroxycloroquine, a drug touted by Trump did nothing here. We are finding that placing patients on the bellies in combination with certain other drugs is dramatically improving outcomes.

Hospitalizations are also increasing in many areas, along with percent positives. That is yet another indicator that this virus is surging due to people not following guidelines.

Anybody that feels that this virus is not spreading rapidly n this country is too blinded by politics to see the truth. In other areas of the world, they have largely contained the outbreak and have opened back up with management blips of viral outbreaks. Here, in the US, we are too cavalier to allow that to happen.
 

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Yes, yes, we should follow the examples of all those socialist countries that know so much more than we do and are full of responsible, controlable subjects... :rolleyes:
No other nation would ever impart a little added suffering on their people in the hopes of shaming the US into following suit and sliding into a recession....
 

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they say people with no symptoms are spreading this. OK. lets test everybody ! know why they wont do that ? because they will have to tell everyone that millions are positive and have NO SYMPTOMS. the percentages of zero symptoms verses sick people, would be so high that their other rates would drop drastically and they would have to call off the pandemic and lock down.
 

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So any activity that requires a waiver is reckless, unsafe, shouldn't be done, and the operating agency is immoral because they don't care who dies.
Got it. :rolleyes:
nope, not saying that at all. but if the colleges are saying its safe to play, why sign a waiver ?
 

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nope, not saying that at all. but if the colleges are saying its safe to play, why sign a waiver ?
Because of lawyers and insurance carriers, of course. (Come on, I know you didn’t fall off a turnip truck.)
not that said waivers would hold up in today’s civil courts anyway...
 

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Because of lawyers and insurance carriers, of course. (Come on, I know you didn’t fall off a turnip truck.)
not that said waivers would hold up in today’s civil courts anyway...
almost fell off a hay wagon last year...from top after it was loaded with 240 bales :)
 
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