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The Rant:
Nobody asked me, but…

1) I’m tired of my government telling me how I can or can’t defend myself, my family, my friends and my neighbors.
a. When the government is prepared to put an armed guard at my house, 24/7, I’ll reconsider - maybe. Until then, leave me be, I got this.

2) I’m tired of the media calling a .223 a “high-powered” rifle.
a. A 30-06 is high-powered, a .22 rimfire is low-powered. Dear media, stop using inflammatory language to sell your business and forward your kumbaya, socialist agenda.

3) I’m tired of the argument that the private citizen shouldn’t own “military grade” weapons.
a. When the 2nd amendment was written, the same muskets used by the govt and militia were the same ones hung over the fireplace mantles in homes.

4) I don’t like the fact the people think it is “OK” to quit looking for work and the unemployment rate goes “down” as a result.
a. You’re unemployed, most applications are filed online anyhow, keep looking.

5) I don’t like being in a supermarket and seeing an unmarried couple, with a child, (all of which I’m pretty much okay with – that’s the way it is these days) filling their cart exclusively with one-dish, microwavable, prepared meals out of a disposable container with an “access” card instead of buying a bag of potatoes, fresh meats and vegetables.
a. If you need the access card that’s fine, but you obviously have the time to feed your family healthier, more affordable meals than this.

6) I don’t like the fact that the unemployment rate for government workers is less than the private sector unemployment.

7) I don’t like the fact the government, who already has bought the “senior” vote (via Medicare) has now bought the “junior” vote by extending health care for those under 27 and by providing “free money” for college.
a. There is no “free money”. Please stop buying your votes with our money.

8) I don’t like that too many people want to look to government to pay them, protect them and feed them.
a. Government isn’t the solution, it’s the problem.

9) I don’t like that our children our taught in schools primarily funded by the government.
a. Too many parents consider walking their kids to and from the bus stop as their role in the education process.

10) Too many Americans are looking for a hand-out, rather than a hand-up.
a. I would help you more, if I could, but the federal, state and local governments are taking more than 40% of my income.

11) I don’t like that I have to balance my budget, pay my bills on time and plan ahead but the government doesn’t.

12) I don’t like that we take God out of our schools, but when a tragedy occurs, we invoke His name.
a. We could all use a lot more God and lot less government in our lives.

I write all of this as a proud husband, father, and God-fearing American.

Feel free to add.
 

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Amen to that. The second amendment was to keep the gov't honest. It wasn't for sport shooting. This is a gun control forum, so I'll limit my additions to it. NO MORE GUN LAWS. Adam Lanza broke every law in the book, before he pulled the trigger. More laws would not have prevented what he did, except for making schools, NOT a gun free zone. I carry everywhere, just in case. What if???
what if the guiadance counsilor had a crap ankle holster and returned fire? What if ??? This sicko turned the gun on himself with just the sound of sirens. Anything more than people running in fear would have stopped it. He targeted a 'soft target' like 'gun free zone' on purpose. No threats, no problem. Do you think he'd get far by targeting a building full of armed people like a police station? Or a gun show?

Oh, and what if the media asked questions? From what I have found is the Adam left his assault rifle in the car. So, why is all this about assault rifles? He used a glock and a sig to do his dirty work. Maybe some actual journalists should report what actually happened. Tell the truth Connecticut officials. Tell it. I would think they have every round accounted for by now.

They won't. IF this was a Texas event, we would have a full report, less the gory details. If it was a Texas event, the suspect would have been shot at the scene before he entered. A lib state like Conn will do it's best to cover for the Regime. Advance their Cause. USSR, redux.
 

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You are not alone in your frustrations my friend.
 

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13)There are far too many children and adults watching violent movies and video games and far too few hunting, praying, working, gardening, etc. to provide for their families the "American way".

14) With the exception of “evil” and the devil’s work, mass shootings in this country are more attributable to media sensationalism, violent movies and video games than anything else.

15) Elected positions should be short-term “public service” rather than “careers – with perks”.

16) The older I get (and I’m only 42), the more I realize just how smart our founding fathers were.
 

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13)There are far too many children and adults watching violent movies and video games and far too few hunting, praying, working, gardening, etc. to provide for their families the "American way".

14) With the exception of “evil” and devil’s work, mass shootings in this country are more attributable to media sensationalism, violent movies and video games than anything else.

15) Elected positions should be short-term “public service” rather than “careers – with perks”.

16) The older I get (and I’m only 42), the more I realize just how smart our founding fathers were.
You are exactly right. Did you know in the early days that the Congress only met part time, and spent the rest of their days at home farming and such? Now it's not only a career, it's a way of life. The 113th congress introduced bills within minutes of their swearing in? They just can't wait to pass more laws, more regulations, more imposing their "wisdom" on us poor tax payer serfs.

The Gov't is not only broken and nonfunctional, but thanks to a Marxist in the White House, it's trying to strip us of the few liberties we have left, like the right to bear arms. Yes, that means any arms we want. Just like the gov't does. When the gov't has kick but arms, and we have WWII bolt action rifles.....who wins? Who's winning now? The second amendment is all we have left. If we loose that, everything else will fold. Everyone pays 60% plus in taxes, no one has any rights...and you BETTER not say anything about our "dear leader"...in his 4th, unopposed term. Think it can't happen? it's happened before in history. Educate yourself if you think I'm way out there.

We can only hope to hold the line here. We have 4 more years of the Socialist in Chief. It's gonna be a tough road. If we allow his Regime to call us Felons by owning "evil guns", it's gonna be a quick end to it all....Never mind the Fiscal aspects of Monopoly Money policy, or might you call it "trickle up poverty".
 

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17) I dont like it that the trash in the whitehouse has invented new giveaways to improve the lot of people living in Africa and the Middle East while telling me that I should do what's right for my country by tightening my belt.
 

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May I add to this...

5) I don’t like being in a supermarket and seeing an unmarried couple, with a child, (all of which I’m pretty much okay with – that’s the way it is these days) filling their cart exclusively with one-dish, microwavable, prepared meals out of a disposable container with an “access” card instead of buying a bag of potatoes, fresh meats and vegetables.
a. If you need the access card that’s fine, but you obviously have the time to feed your family healthier, more affordable meals than this.
Then, they hand that same access card to their friend in line behind them to buy their cart of groceries...
 

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Totaly in agree with all that was said above!!
Productive law abiding folks should not have their CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS subverted by the pols that buy the votes of the GIMME masses. I am also tired of the BUSH blameing and continious media praise of career politicians like Clinton, Biden,Pelosi etc.
Try MANDATORY 20 year sentence for commiting a crime with a firerm.and 15 years for posesion by a person prohibited NO PLEA BARGINS dont worry about the cost to maintain them . Put them on converted Cargo ships 20 miles out and give them fresh water and fish bait.
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It used to be shameful to use "food stamps", now called access card.

I heard a guy on a radio show recently that said, "let's call it the LOSER CARD", complete with the flood lights and sirens going off when they side it through?

That would change things. Can you imagine when some sloth uses their "access card", and lights and sirens go off ?

That would be fun.
I would enjoy going to the grocery store. I would look forward to it.
 

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It used to be shameful to use "food stamps", now called access card.

I heard a guy on a radio show recently that said, "let's call it the LOSER CARD", complete with the flood lights and sirens going off when they side it through?

That would change things. Can you imagine when some sloth uses their "access card", and lights and sirens go off ?

That would be fun.
I would enjoy going to the grocery store. I would look forward to it.
I understand where you're coming from but I dont think I can join you on this one.
For me to join you, I would have to believe that the majority of the people using access cards are professional welfare slugs who have made their living by working the system, and I dont think that's the case at all.
For me to believe such a thing, I would first have to believe the manure being put forth by the whitehouse about how the lieing dog in the oval office has created millions of jobs out of thin air and put millions of people back to work. I'd have to believe the lies about how he has driven the unemployment rate below 8% even though my county publishes figures that are at 10-11% and my state says the numbers are in the neighborhood of 9-10%.
There are plenty of professional slugs working the system, but I'm not about to try to embarass everybody that flashes an ebt card while I'm still sure that a goodly number of folks that use them are real working folks who have been put out of their jobs by the failed economic policies of the current administration.
One last thing; In keeping with the gun control theme of this forum, I hope those good folks who are out of a job through no fault of their own havent been forced to sell their firearms. I feel we are coming to a time when, if the current administration has it's way, they may very well not be allowed to replace them.
 

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I agree that we should not embarass someone who truly needa help. It is those that work the systm that need rooted out. When Romney said 47% were unreachable due to being dependent onhandouts he was correct. Johnson laid the groundwork for the welfare state back in 964 and Bobo is just utilizing it build his power base.
 

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I would be OK if you don't pay taxes or have not paid taxes your whole life, you should not be eligible to vote. One exception I can think of is a stay at home mom or housewife whose family doesn't relie on the system. Consider voting a privledge for those that work or have worked for things in their life.
 

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<span style="font-weight: bold"> I'd be Ok with BoBo's health care, if the Govt. came under the same plan, rules, and regs...Sadly, they don't...</span>
 

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I agree that we should not embarass someone who truly needa help. It is those that work the systm that need rooted out. When Romney said 47% were unreachable due to being dependent onhandouts he was correct. Johnson laid the groundwork for the welfare state back in 964 and Bobo is just utilizing it build his power base.
Why not make it embarrasing? Shame is a motivator. You should be embarassed to get handouts, contrite, thankfull and ebarassed. BTDT. Not fun, but it is motovation.

There should be a seperate line in the shopping center for Access card users so that paying customers dont have to wait. There used to be places to go to get the govt. handouts. Cheese, peanut butter, butter and other stuff. My mom was embarassed to take us there, and we didnt make it a lifestyle.

I used to think "hey, its ok, they need a hand" because my family did, it isnt the same. One of the turning points I came to was after a move, to a better job, I had a pregnant wife and 2 kids I was supporting, I was working OT, and the wife called to have me get some milk and bread. I had to look in my wallet to see if I could. I got in line behind 3 women. One a bit younger than me, one about 17, and a brand new, as in still wet baby. The older one stunk like cigaretts. They had a bunch of baby food and junk food on the checkout. Grandma is putting junk food in her cart and her Access card away, 17 year old (mom) whips out her Access card, the one a bit younger than me (grandma) jumps in and yells at her and the clerk taking moms Access card out of the clerks hand, and says "NO, this goes on HER card" points at the baby and whips out another Access card.

They should be embarrassed.
 

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Varmintmist, I stood in those lines as a kid also. And yes, it motivated me, and apparently my siblings.

My wife mentioned the separate line idea awhile back - good idea IMHO. The stigma of being 'assisted' is now gone and seems to have been replaced by a feeling of being 'entitled' to the 'assistance'.
 

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1. The politicians are receiving the biggest welfare check of them all. Leeches on societies behind. What are most politicians first? Lawyers and business men. How many people trust lawyers? I only kinda trust one lawyer and he's a cousin.Why do politicians spend more on an election than they will receive as pay while in office?
2. We are the new Native Indians. White rich man talk with fork tongue. It's not about gov and citizen. It's about the super rich and everyone else. The super rich look down their noses at everyone else. Always trying to figure out how to sheer the sheep to trickle money upwards.

3. Testing on citizens. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unethical_human_experimentation_in_the_United_States

4. No true choice and career politicians. When it comes to most elections. We don't truly have a choice. The two Dems and Repubs place two choices in front of us and make the elections so expensive that it holds anyone honest without millions down. Then they teach our children that anyone could become president. There should be no career politicians. They should all be limited to a specific time limit to serve. Look how long Feinstein has been serving or even people like Sandra Major in Pa. If we are stuck with one person for many years then we are stuck with their way of thinking for many years.

5. Gun control is people control. Anyone against the second amendment is against America. Period. Honest law abiding gun owning citizens are being attacked right now. Who are we attacking? What rights are we trying to take from anyone else? None? That should end. If groups want to attack our rights. Gun rights groups should form attacks against other groups and what is important to them. What goes around should come around. Make those groups feel vulberable and threaten to take away something that is important to them.

6. The use of doctors, schools, churches and the media to try to brainwash citizens. They are all basically tools used by the government to control people in one way or another. Doctors push their drugs and collect information. Vaccine shots like MMR are required by law and then they have the parent sign a form putting all resposibility on the parent. Suited salesmen enter the doctors office and then the doctors pushes their product. Schools are the biggest tool used to brain wash future hunters and gun owners. Then when a child doesn't behave "correctly". Put the child on ritalin or some other drug. Originally suggested by a teacher. Teachers want to drug our children so they don't have to work as hard. I know of a 5 year old child that was put on ritalin. What the heck is wrong with them? Churches have always been similar to a governemnt. Telling you how to behave and what to name your children. Gov uses preachers and priest to get messages out and tell you to behave. Media. The most blatant example of brain washing the citizens. People lie so much now that future generations won't know what end is up.
 

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We had a chance in November to make a move toward sanity.
Too many drank the coolaid. Now there are folks talking abot solving our problems by denying the Constitution and takeing MORE from doers and giving it to WON"TERS!!
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I was making a funny about the "shame card", but all of this stuff has to stop. All of it. Entitlements. If we can't even make it shameful to cash a gov't check, how can we actually end it. It's always the same. "No, not my mom, she needs her SSI". Or, No, "My dad really needs that new hip". or...
No, my my kid, they really need that Access Card.

This is what cuts are about. Cut across the board. I dump more than 30% of my income to the Gov't, and get NOTHING in return. And, when I come to the magical age of whatever, all of the programs will be defunct. Is that "my fair share?"

Cut early, cut often...It may sound insensitive. But the way I see it is pay your own way, and I'll pay my own. I do now while hemorrhaging money to gov't to give to those who I guess need it more than I do.

We are past the point where tough decisions need to be made by our "leaders", and no one wants to say "no, we can afford it anymore." This ship won't sail much longer.

I'll tie this back into guns:

The Bill of Rights allows me to own and posess the same guns as the gov't. You don't want an AK47? That's fine too. No one is MAKING you own one. I don't break the law, nor have ever had a criminal record. I should not be treated like a criminal. Heck, illegal aliens get better treatment than citizens do. If you pull over an illegal in Arizona, you have to be careful you aren't discriminating, but if you violate a citizen of their rights under the constitution that's perfectly OK. Irony.

The system is broken, and more gov't is making it worse. 4 more years of the "dear leader" will be worse than the first 4. I'm not sure the USA will survive it.

Google :"trillion dollar coin". That will tell you all you need to know.
 
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