Thanks guys for the comments,quick story i hit the same buck last day of archery, he was chasing two small bucks,about 75 yds out,so i bleated several times with the can and he came in 38yds, and he ducked the arrow and i hit him in no mans land through the backstrap,not much blood the next day ,figured he s going to live, i put my son in the same spot prayed he get his first buck,the big guy above gave me a double blessing letting him get the same one.The buck was in pretty good shape except for the wound,tough animals. He shot him 10yds.from the spot i did.