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Who should not be invited to return to the Steelers next year? I'm going to exempt Wallace and R-men, since we all probably think they wont be back. Tell me who else (player, coach, office person, peanut vendor) who shouldn't be back and why.
 

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Hampton is gone and colon will be too...as far as coaches I know who I would like to see gone but it will never happen
 

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Well, this thread is for speculation, so feel free to mention anyone. If you think Mr. Rooney should go, give us a real argument.
 

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Because they do not have a replacement, I would not be shocked to see the Steelers resign the Big Snack for a year or two (tops). Unfortunately, Wallace didn't deliver, and I think he is gone. RMen will sign elsewhere. Colon is signed thru 2015. He can not stay healthy, but the Steelers may be "stuck" with him. Stevenson Sylvester, Steve McLendon are RFA. Max Starks (again), Byron Leftwich, Plax, Barron Batch will probably all be gone in 2013.
 

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haley may end up in Arizona and we can have wiz back!!!!
If Haley goes, I think Kirby Wilson becomes the new OC. But, even though they love Haley in AZ, I think the Cardinals go a different direction.
The only coach that I think goes is the Special teams coach. But, Keith Butler might be a hot comidity as well for a DC job.
 

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Wallace and Spinderella have to go. It's not a money thing totally, they have the wrong attitude. Colon needs restructured. McClendon will be back, as I think he's the Snack's heir apparent. Starks? Who do they have better? Leftwich is bye bye. Plax-we hardly knew ya, bro. Special Teams coaching needs addressed. A new kicker perhaps as well, someone who can hit a 50 yarder at least. Troy needs a redone deal, loaded with incentives. Clark comes back. He's not the best FS, but I don't think we get anyone better for the coin in FA or the draft. On the upside, we'll be drafting high this year. Lebeau stays if he wants. It's not a schematic problem. You don't become a #1 defense without being able to call a game. If he leaves, Keith Butler is the new DC.
 

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There is no way they get rid of Suisham. He was an all pro until today. You cant expect any kicker to hit from 50+ at Heinz. When it happens, it's a bonus.
 

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If Haley left, would there be any chance Wallace stays? Because the Haley offense absolutely kills what wallace brings.
 

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the Haley offense absolutely kills what wallace brings.

<span style="font-weight: bold"> No, the offensive line play killed, what Wallece brought....

Todays game was another example of the poor play of the offensive line..</span>
 

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We can't expect Suisham to hit from 50 anywhere. Or from 24, apparently. They are still looking for the ball he kicked in the Super Bowl. He may have missed the pylon wide left. Though I will concede that today was Tomlin's fault. He is fully aware that he has one of the weakest legged kickers in the league, yet chose to try a stadium record kick with time left on the clock.
 

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If Haley left, would there be any chance Wallace stays? Because the Haley offense absolutely kills what wallace brings.
What exactly did Wallace bring this season, besides a ton of dropped passes? Megatron can run an intermediate route. So can Fitz. Wallace runs two, the go, and the slant. You need more. Brown didn't seem to have these kinds of issues. Brown paid attention to how Ward prepared, Wallace didn't seem to. Dwight Stone was fast too. Like Wallace, he couldn't catch either. Wallace doesn't come back for balls, and doesn't fight for them either. Is it really surprising that, these past two games, the pick were intended for Wallace?
 

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If Haley left, would there be any chance Wallace stays? Because the Haley offense absolutely kills what wallace brings.
What exactly did Wallace bring this season, besides a ton of dropped passes? Megatron can run an intermediate route. So can Fitz. Wallace runs two, the go, and the slant. You need more. Brown didn't seem to have these kinds of issues. Brown paid attention to how Ward prepared, Wallace didn't seem to. Dwight Stone was fast too. Like Wallace, he couldn't catch either. Wallace doesn't come back for balls, and doesn't fight for them either. Is it really surprising that, these past two games, the pick were intended for Wallace?
What that is, is an example of why Wallace is not worth Megatron or Fitz money. But whose fault is it that the Steelers were unable to exploit Wallaces strengths? Because a good OC can take advantage of the fact that Wallace is fast. But Haley doesn't bomb it down the field enough. Dink and dunk takes Wallaces skills and throws them out the window. At that point, Wallace is no longer anything special. Cotchery can do that. So can Brown and Sanders. Why did they rarely try plays at which Wallace excels? Because Wallace proved he can succeed with long patterns. For that matter, why didn't we exploit what Burress brings? Why couldn't the Steelers try a fade now and then? Surely it wasn't because something else was working so well that they didn't need to mix it up.
 

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We can't expect Suisham to hit from 50 anywhere. Or from 24, apparently. They are still looking for the ball he kicked in the Super Bowl. He may have missed the pylon wide left. Though I will concede that today was Tomlin's fault. He is fully aware that he has one of the weakest legged kickers in the league, yet chose to try a stadium record kick with time left on the clock.
Come on man, he kicked the laces on that ball, bad snap, bad hold, you cant blame it on him......

As much as I hate to admit it, I hated Bruce Arians, but I might just hate Todd Haley worse...........
 

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Danesdad said:
If Haley left, would there be any chance Wallace stays? Because the Haley offense absolutely kills what wallace brings.
What exactly did Wallace bring this season, besides a ton of dropped passes? Megatron can run an intermediate route. So can Fitz. Wallace runs two, the go, and the slant. You need more. Brown didn't seem to have these kinds of issues. Brown paid attention to how Ward prepared, Wallace didn't seem to. Dwight Stone was fast too. Like Wallace, he couldn't catch either. Wallace doesn't come back for balls, and doesn't fight for them either. Is it really surprising that, these past two games, the pick were intended for Wallace?
What that is, is an example of why Wallace is not worth Megatron or Fitz money. But whose fault is it that the Steelers were unable to exploit Wallaces strengths? Because a good OC can take advantage of the fact that Wallace is fast. But Haley doesn't bomb it down the field enough. Dink and dunk takes Wallaces skills and throws them out the window. At that point, Wallace is no longer anything special. Cotchery can do that. So can Brown and Sanders. Why did they rarely try plays at which Wallace excels? Because Wallace proved he can succeed with long patterns. For that matter, why didn't we exploit what Burress brings? Why couldn't the Steelers try a fade now and then? Surely it wasn't because something else was working so well that they didn't need to mix it up.
Why would you try to tailor your offense to utilize a guy who drops as many balls as he catches? And how do we know that Wallace was open for those deep balls? He seemed to be going half speed this year. His best play this season was on a quick pass, the slant for a TD against the Giants. Tomlin was right--ONE TRICK PONY. I will say this about the offensive coaching staff, and I include both Haley and Tomlin in that. RUNNING BACK BY COMMITTEE DOES NOT WORK!! Would Tomlin like it if the Rooney's made it clear that if he screwed up, they were going to put Cowher at HC? Haley stated that he would commit to the running game more, and he did. That being said, you can't establish an effective running game by putting in a new back every series. The backs themselves don't get going.
 

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It all comes down to the O line. Dink and dunk passes were all they could pass block for. How many times did they get shoved back into Ben yesterday? They plain got man handled all year for the most part. Hard to commit to the run when you can't get your tackles and guards to block. Pouncey can't do it all himself.
 

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Brown didn't seem to have these kinds of issues.
You must have missed the Oakland and Dallas game where Brown cost us big time with fumbles and running out of bounds when he should have stayed in,or letting punts bounce inside the 15yd line,he didnt have a 100 yard receiving game that i know of.Haley's a joke and got the job only because of his dad and rooney's relationship, he's been auditioning for another head job all year and failed miserable and the steelers will pay again next year when he's still here.Your infatuation with players of the past is border-line occult and a addmission of not wanting to let go of the past and except the present.Let it go and accept what it is, a 7-8 team that could be 7-9 after next week,we all love our B/G but most sane people dont let a win or lose cloud there judgement in life.Merry X-Mas and God Bless Ya.
 
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