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Inherited this gun. Is it legal to use for deer? Shells look more like small 30-30's. Nothing like a regular .22 or even a .22 magnum. Won't use it often but would like to take a deer with it.
 

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I believe that the bullet diameter of a High Power should be .227"/.228" (I've seen both sizes published) and the factory cartridges featured something like a 70 gr. bullet - not sure without going to the books. But regardless it is a centerfire and it's legal to use for deer. Know this though...the 99 in a High Power is a highly collectable rifle to 99 collectors as is the ammo. Hunting with it could diminish its value. Have fun with it!


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Here's a bit more info:


The 5.6x52R (.22 Savage High-Power)

By Chuck Hawks

This old North American cartridge was designed by Charles Newton and commercialized by Savage in 1912. The .22 High-Power is based on the old .25-35 Winchester case necked down to accept .227-.228 inch bullets. Reloaders should note the odd bullet size; the .22 High-Power does not use standard .224" (5.56mm) diameter bullets. It is unusual in being a .22 that was designed as a combination varmint and deer cartridge.

The High-Power had a run of popularity in North America starting back before World War I, but the cartridge got a reputation as a wounder of deer. Eventually American shooters went back to larger caliber cartridges for deer hunting, and the .22 High-Power fell into disuse and eventual obsolescence.

The .22 High-Power retains a modest level of popularity in Europe where its rimmed case makes it adaptable to the break action combination guns and drillings beloved in the Old World. In Europe the High-Power is called the 5.6x52R because it uses a 5.6mm bullet in a rimmed case 52mm in length.

No factory loads have been offered by the Big Three North American ammo companies for the .22 Savage High-Power during my lifetime. The Lyman technicians chronographed some old Remington .22 Savage High-Power ammunition, and in the Lyman Reloading Handbook, 45th Edition they reported an instrumental velocity of 2624 fps 15 feet from the muzzle of a 20 inch barrel.

The High-Power is currently factory loaded in Europe as the 5.6x52R. Norma 5.6x52R factory loads are imported into the US. The Norma factory load uses a 71 grain soft point bullet at a muzzle velocity (MV) of 2789 fps with muzzle energy (ME) of 1227 ft. lbs. Norma trajectory figures show the following: +2.1" at 100 yards, 0 at 200 yards, and -9.9" at 300 yards.

The 5.6x52R can be reloaded, and the Hornady Handbook, Third Edition has data for reloaders. Data for European shooters is available in European reloading manuals. IMR 3031 is recommended as a good powder for the .22 High-Power. Hornady makes a 70 grain Spire-Point .227" bullet (BC .288, SD .194) specifically for the 5.6x52R, which they describe as a "varmint and small game round." Hornady's test rifle for developing the following loads was bolt action Mauser 66 and they advise that for old lever action rifles their maximum loads should be reduced by at least 10%.

Hornady data shows that their 70 grain Spire Point can be driven to a MV of 3100 fps with 28.3 grains of N203 powder, 27.4 grains of IMR 3031 powder, or 27.6 grains of N201 powder. The trajectory of that load looks like this: +1.6" at 100 yards, 0 at 200 yards, and -7.5" at 300 yards. These loads used RWS cases and Federal 210 primers.
 

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22s CF may be legal to use on deer but they are not the best choise and may result in a wounded deer and slow death.
 

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PA-Joe said:
22s CF may be legal to use on deer but they are not the best choise and may result in a wounded deer and slow death.
I think the .22 SHP is an exception to this. It is .228 diameter and was usually loaded with a 71 grain bullet. It was designed with deer in mind, not varmints.
 

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Ive never even heard of this caliber before. Guess you learn something new everyday.
 

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22s CF may be legal to use on deer but they are not the best choise and may result in a wounded deer and slow death.
You can get the same results with 6mm's, 25's, 264's, 270's, 7mm's, 30's ect. There has probably been more "wounded" with a 30-30 than all other calibers combined.

Good luck, Tony
 

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Norma still loads ammo for the 22 Hi-Power. I have a drilling with the rifle barrel being 22 Sav HP. Killed some turkeys with it but never shot a deer
 

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I don't think he understood your reply.Any gun will wound a deer in the wrong hands.Seen it many times.Some folks lack discipline and restraint.
 

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First off, I'd say to have a gunsmith check it out before u fire it! I believe it is legal because it's a centerfire. Maub brought up a good point that it may be best not to shoot it, but if you do it should kill a deer just fine!!
 

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KEBCO...Norma does still make .22 HP Savage, but at a whopping $53 a box, I think I'll stick to my .308 Savage to supply venison for our table.
 

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I happen to think the current craze of super dooper magnums to be the cause of many more wounded animals than a person proficient with the mild recoil and report of a quick handling 30WCF lever gun that was passed down from Grandpa or dad. The human behind the firearm is the only true weak link...on the original topic of the old 22CF, you introduce a 70gr 22 caliber foreign object traveling at any reasonable velocity into a 125lb animal and you'll have a dead deer on your hands. It's no magic.
 

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Enlighten me as to what was so foolish about that statement?? My take on his comment is that any caliber is capable of wounding deer if a less than ideal shot is attempted. That coupled with the huge numbers of 30-30 rifles in Pa woods is the basis of Tony's post in my opinion

So why resort to questioning a persons intelligence or common sense?


probably the biggest obstacle with the old 22 HP was the lack of a well contructed 70 grain bullet at the time it was introduced. Probably still the biggest obstacale today as well, as I know of no one making a .227/.228 bullet designed for big game. Maybe I'm wrong, if so I'd love to know if one is available?
 

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Hey BONZy...If you're gonna be able to change my post due to the personal comment and than ask a question to me specifically, their is no way I'm gonna engage in it again. You hold all the cards as a moderator so my "enligtening" would have just been edited anyway...

That being said, when I re read it, I believe too that his point was more in line with my comment and thinking than I orignally read, I will concede that point and apologize for my assumption of his ignorance due to my mis reading it and misinterpreting it.

Sorry Tony and BONZy and Merry Christmas!
 
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