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I'm going to be prepared to use it if I find the right situation. Just another tool in the box.
I think I'm always going to have at least two sticks on me though. I can't imagine getting to the top and dropping your stick? I'd like to have one lashed to me for backup in case that happens.
One stick it all the way to the top and then set two sticks for your last move? My thoughts on it.
I got permission on a few thousand acres of very rugged isolated terrain last year and I haven't even begun to cover it. Very steep, rocky, and thick so I just want to be prepared for whatever might be thrown at me.
I saw some Hellacious rubs on the very first bench I came to that cut across the top of a nearly un-navigable hollow.
That was just the tip of a very vast iceberg.
 

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I use a Muddy harness...there's not much to it than a rock climbing harness except back/chest/shoulder straps...and the tree tether attaches like normal near the back of my neck...if I fall I think it's be easier on the body...I keep my tree tether tight and as high as I can reach so it's never in my way...I fall and I'm moving literally a couple inches and I'm not going to rotate before it is tight...


I personally don't see the advantage...maybe I'm miss something? I'm very happy with the Muddy though...and my lone wolf setup...

Is there an advantage I'm missing??

Never tried the 1 or 2 stick thing...I use 3 or 4...with the lone wolf I find myself hunting lower...not because I have to because I only have 4 sticks...but because I find myself in trees with cover opposed to what I used to climb with my Viper..
 

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The first thing that comes to mind for me is having that strap at neck level.
I hear it rub my jacket collar or hat when I turn my head.
If I'm standing and facing the tree it is often in my way, especially when looking around the tree.
It has gotten in my way in the heat of the moment when I had to swing and draw quickly.
I've often wandered what the outcome would be if you had that strap under your chin because you turned to look at something quickly without ducking under the strap......and that's the point you happen to fall. Seems like a good way to snap your neck.

Overall I find the entire harness mildly restrictive. I think about it and it's discomfort. I don't want to think about things when I'm hunting. I want to eliminate all
distractions if possible.

The twisting an falling is entirely dependent on if you are facing the tree or away from the tree. 50/50 for me.
If you do end up suspended from the back of your neck, it is not easy to get yourself pulled back up. I've practiced it. Not fun. If you fell from a climber I'm not sure most people could self rescue from a full body harness.
Constriction sets in quickly on your groin, then loss of feeling and strength, then panic....not good.

Pressure from a RC harness is entirely on the back of your hips and you can kick away from the tree. You can hang there relaxed and gather your thoughts to get yourself back in the stand.
There are a few videos on Youtube about guys practicing falling with an RC harness.

Another advantage that I foresee, but haven't realized yet is the ability to lean into the harness to steady for a shot. You tie in at waist level and that gives you another point of contact for steadiness, position awareness, and safety.

I may find out I'm totally wrong, but it seems that everyone who makes the switch stays with the RC harness.
 

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RC are definitely better and I have done all my homework on them. i dont use one yet but i will.
 

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Gotcha....makes sense...


Maybe it's how I setup my Muddy and tree tether...no noise...not in my way...

I've planted my feet and leaned out with all my weight on the tether and drawn..heck..I've tightened it more than once and leaned forward and took a nap lol...


Pros and cons to everything...
 

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That is probably what I'll miss the most.....leaning into the tether and taking a nap.

I see it all the time on the TV shows where guys have their back tethers below their shoulders and even down as far as waist level on the tree. That is bad bad news if they ever fall with that much slack
 

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Yep....if I ever fall I don't wanna go far...my current setup and I'm moving inches...not falling a few feet and smashing into the tree...


I know sleeping in a tree isn't smart or safe...but it's my favorite hobby lol...I miss my Viper dearly...but love the lone wolf. Just not nearly as comfortable...all day sits are brutal...
 

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ive left work at 1 or 2 in the morning and went straight to the tree for a nice relaxing sleep. some of the best sleep happens at 20-25 feet.
 

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Snood, do you use the single central tie in for hanging stands, or did you rig up some kind of lineman's loops on the side of the harness?

I got the material to make the side loops, but I'm not sure how much of an advantage it will be over the single loop. The harness I bought has a rated rear loop that will handle the force of a line tied to it.
 

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Most rock harnesses secure to the front waist... You guys doing something different than that? I can't see how it would work unless you rigged something up from behind
 

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I've been using mine for years and i love it. I use a Petzl Pandion and a homemade version of a beal dynaclip along with a HSS tree strap. I have yet to find any negatives for the rock climbing harness.
 

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For those of you who like your full body harnesses, i'd encourage you to actually try a self rescue with it. And for those who think they're going to turn twoards the tree while falling, give that a try too.馃槀
I have tried both kinds, hunted with a full body harness for years, switched to a rc harnnrress last year, and i'll tell you with certainty. Unless you've practiced self rescue, you really have no idea what your harness is capable of.
 

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I have a petzel that has a loop on the front and a loop on each side.TO me,the advantages are lighter weight,not having to fish a strap through my binocular harness and the line is out of my way when I draw.Also,in the event of a fall,a RC harness gives you more flexibility to get out of the situation.I don't think the advantages are huge but they are advantages none the less and they come at a cheaper price.
 

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A full body harness pins you to the tree. Like a cat picked up by the back of the neck.
A rc harness has you facing the tree, with your hands and feet in useable position.
 
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