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You know, the one with a spiral magazine and steel buttplate? I'm planning on using one this season. It was my Paps rifle. When I was younger, sighting in meant going to the local strip mine and shooting off the car hood at a box with about 3-4" circle on it about 40yds. If it was close, then it was "on". I killed a 1/2 dozen or so deer with it all at close ranges. As I got older, I bought other rifles of my own, and learned more about shooting and accuracy. Paps old .35 went in the back of the closet. I decided I wanted to carry it this season. New scope and mounts, everything is in working order and all screws are tight. Problem is that I can't seem to get it to do any better than a 6" group at 100yds. Tried a couple different bullets and brands, but nothing seems to do any better than anything else. Is this the best I can expect? I'll still carry it, but I'll obviously only take closer shots. Ideas or opinions?
 

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Many of the older guns were not thoroughly cleaned but simply wiped out and wiped down. The barrels built up a lot of copper and residue that filled the grooves over time.
Maybe your Pap was more thorough and maybe you have scrubbed it since you have owned it, but if not an extended barrel cleaning session would be the first place to start.
Run a few patches down the bore with your favorite solvent, let it sit for a few minutes and then scrub it out with a bronze bore brush..being careful to not scrape the crown of the muzzle. A coated cleaning rod is best. Run a clean patch down and see how much residue comes out. Repeat until the patches come out clean.
I have seen a few older rifles that were "shot out" come back to life after a good cleaning.
 

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If I get a buck early in the week, I will be taking out my 141 in .32 Remington for a doe later in the season. I can get 1" groups at 50yds with it using old factory ammo. That is with a peep sight. No way I will be putting any sort of scope on it! I have not shot it enough to have enough brass for reloading. I hate to shoot it too much because ammo is around $3 per shot!

I haven't shot mine at 100 yards because where I hunt 100 yds is a far shot. Also if I did have a hole to shoot 100 yds I don't know how the peep would be with all the brush. The 14's,141's,760's and 7600's were all made for close range gunning.

My main deer rifle is actually a 760 in .35 Rem. At 100 yds it will throw a 1 1/2 inch pattern with Remington 150gr or 200 gr Corelokts. It is quite the gun paired with a Leupold Vx-II 2-7!

The only other thing I would suggest you try if you haven't would be 150 gr ammo. My 760 shoots it well. They are PSP's which may help the ballistics a bit at 100 yds.
 

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My Mod14 in 35 will hold 2.5-3" groups at 100 with iron sights.

I'd have to agree with MF. Clean it and try again. But also try to find(if you can) some different ammo and try that too.

I never thought, nor witnessed, what different brands of ammo would do until this summer. I had all sorts of problems with my 35 Wheelen, and then saw the same thing with this 35rem. I ended up sighting it in with my reloads then shot Rem, Hornady and Win rounds through it. The Rem and Win grouped fine, but the Rem were 5" low and the Win were 3" high and to the left. The Hornady were horrid, they wouldn't group any tighter than what you had and the groups were centered right of POA. Ended up emptying them for the brass. Speaking of which, I need to go downstairs and pull the brass out of the tumbler so I can load a few.
 

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gotta scope on my 14 in 35 it will shoot 1" 3 shot groups. my 14 in 30 Remington will do @4" with factory buckhorns.
 

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gotta scope on my 14 in 35 it will shoot 1" 3 shot groups. my 14 in 30 Remington will do @4" with factory buckhorns.
 

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my first thoughts were spot on with mfuffs...


many guys still just run an oiled brush and/or patches through a bore...or if solvent its Hoppes which is nearly useless for copper and heavy fouling IMO..


i personally love Sharp Shootr "wipe out" foaming bore cleaner..

heavily fouled bores might take a full day or 2 of soaking...but it will get it all..and there is no "work" involved with brushing and patching..a few patches and your done...i love it in the pumps especially because there is no way to safely run a rod through it without risking damage to the crown..


if not cleaned i would start there...


after that...i dont know...thats not really good grouping..check the crown damage....check the bore for pitting etc..even still 6" groups are pretty bad IMO..
 

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whats it do at 50 yards? maybe its your trigger control. those 141's are pretty stiff. start at 25 and work your way up
 

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It's pretty shifty at 50yds too. Thanks for all the advice. I'm gonna get some bore cleaner and give it a good scrubbing and see what that does.
 

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I have a 7600 in 35rem carbine and you would not believe how tight this thing shoots at 100yrd's. Im shooting 200gr hornady ftx with tac powder. Also with that 18 inch barrel I get 2130fps. The barrel on this carbine is heavier than the standard barrels.
 

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All that told you to clean it probably got it right! Get one that really cleans out the fouling..I have a 336 that shoot such tight groups at 100 yards...Something how the Leverlution and the Rem ammo shoots so nice in this used gun I purchased.. I also have a model 14 pump in the 35 Rem but never even shot it yet..Sounds like I might have my work cut out for me when I do... I really do need to buy the RCBS dies for 35 Rem.. that's the only dies I don't own for my guns..
 

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No doubt a good cleaning is in order but I'm guessing you have a technique issue...rest the rifle on the front bag where the magazine tube meets the receiver so both the receiver and magazine tube are well supported. Your groups should improve dramatically....it will be a little unhandy to rest it this way but the results will be worth it...
 

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No doubt a good cleaning is in order but I'm guessing you have a technique issue...rest the rifle on the front bag where the magazine tube meets the receiver so both the receiver and magazine tube are well supported. Your groups should improve dramatically....it will be a little unhandy to rest it this way but the results will be worth it...
Definitely something else to consider. Thinking back, I'm pretty sure that I had the wooden forearm on top of the front bag, and didn't think about the instability that could result. All my other rifles are bolts, and I don't have that worry with those. Thanks again to all who replied.
 
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