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So....back on the thoughts of my next flintlock...and projectiles...

With my 50 cal TC hawken I am stuck with my Ball-ets or round balls..that's absolutely fine...I've been piling up deer...

But I've been wanting a 2nd rocklock...Its a simple gun...but a broke spring can take you out of the season in a second...and it can happen that quick too..as can many other things...I fell and broke my sling and my gun bashed off the creek bed and could have been trashed from that(luckily it was fine..).

I want the ultimate deer killing flintlock...

I love custom flinters...I was going to go that route...

But I'm just not a fan of the lead balls and Conicals...I just have an issue with blood trails...I've recovered well hit deer that I am 99% sure I wouldn't have found without snow...I hate that thought..even the best blood trails typically aren't that good...followable at best...


I am now thinking about a 1:28" twist to goto a sabot...

Traditional? Not be any means...

But I'm a deer hunter...I love hunting with the flintlock...more damage... Better blood trail... Better for me...


I'm curious though....


If you shoot a 50cal sabot at flintlock BP velocities (100gr or less) what bullet do you shoot? And what are blood trails like? Meat/organ damage? Etc etc...fill me in...I've never fired one...maybe I expect rifle like damage and in reality that isn't to be expected....that's what I wanna know...



I can buy a accursporter or build a TC clone or buy and old TC and put a barrel in it etc...if I can get the damage and blood on the ground from a sabot I will go that route...

I want a deer killing setup...I know the ole round ball is just fine...but if I was alive a few hundred years ago and someone offered me a better bullet and fiberoptic sights and a ramrod that won't break...well...I'd take it in a heartbeat!

At the end of the day the charge was still ignited by flint n steel...that's a feat of its own...
 

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You just want to shoot a critter at 100 yards with a flinter!


What about a Lyman Great Plains Hunter? It's a GPR with a 1:28 barrel.

Maybe get it with both the 1:28 and 1:60(66?)!
 

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I have NO desire to shoot em at 100yds..I am 27 and I don't know how guys do it with iron sights...my farthest kill was around the 75yd mark...I walked to where I thought she was and didn't see deer tracks...the terrain and snow threw me off...killed her...


I didn't realize Lyman made a fast twist....so there's another possible option...the other requirement is double triggers...I can shoot doubles...single...forget it!

And I really want a top of the line lock...which is why I may build a TC clone...put in a L&R lock...fast twist barrel..nice stock..fiber optic sight and possibly a peep..good ramrod and my gun is built...or..find a clean double trigger accusporter..which is essentially what I'd be building in the end...

I have options and different ways to go about getting there..



Just not sure on the "killing factor" of sabots vs what I'm shooting now...

I could also go to a big bore flinter and hit em with bowling ball sized hunks of lead...that's option 2 if my research tells me that sabots won't do any better than what I'm shooting now...


My TC and Ball-ets are deadly....I'm just worried there's gunna be a time I hit one and don't know it...I've came close a couple times now...

That 75yd or so shot...there was snow...there was tracks...if my buddy wasn't 10yds away from her when she ran by I wouldn't have thought I hit her...I literally had a couple hairs at the POI...that was IT...she ran UP hill 50yds and passed my buddy...he said I drilled her and he saw the hair on her chest from my hit..I said no way...but we'll follow it...another 75yds or so she laid dead...both lungs taken out...ball-et passed through the chest...not a drop of blood was found till I opened her up...


Ive shot many deer...I know that happens even with arrows and bullets....but I've had it happen many more times with balls and Ball-ets...which is why I wanna go bigger...or to a sabot if they are better...
 

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I've shot close to 20 deer with my 62 cal. using PRB. blood trails with it aren't that great either. I have had complete pass throughs on all but 2, and they were shot length ways and the ball stopped at the rear leg bone. I guess what i'am trying to say is, not sure that the "big bore" route would be what you are looking for.
 

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I like the Maxi hunters in my .54.............
I used to shoot 250gr Shockwaves in my .50 cal RMC BUT have not shot any of my 50's since I bought my .54!!!


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I've killed deer with 260gr Speer bullets from my TC Renegade using sabots. Don't expect anything you don't already get from the ball-ets, really. The sabots are ok, maxiballs, I think, would be better.

I'd suggest (and I DID!) go to bigger bore. Think 58 cal, or bigger.


Unfortunately, I don't think there are many makers who do jaeger-styled rifles, but that sounds like it'd be right up your alley. If you're ok with the idea of a long rifle, man, dive into it. I did, and I am pretty happy with the results!
 

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accursporter, 100grs fffg 250 gr Hornday xpt, mine will shoot just as good as a inline @100 yrds off a bench and is deadly on whitetails, but you must practice shooting it to be good. IT is the 1:28 twist gm barrel
 

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You know, I don't recall the bores. I should have taken note. There were two that were under $2k, I think, and one that was much pricier.

I'm sure I'll be back there before too long and can look again. I'd bet they won't go anywhere soon.
 

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Check out his site:

www.prbullet.com

Specifically the Extreme Elite bullet. My son and I have been shooting the 300 grain bullet at whitetails for several years with a lot of success. I specifically switched from PBR because I was not getting the blood trail I wanted. Problem solved with this bullet. I shoot a .50 cal TC Hawken and my son shoots a Lyman Deerstalker. We both shoot 85 grains FF. Good accuracy and short, easy tracking. They are expensive, but worth it to me.
 

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I shoot a 200 gr XTP Hornady out of my TC Hawken. I have the 1:48 twist barrel, and shoot 70 gr of FFF powder. I can shoot about a 2.5" group at 50 yds with that set-up. It may shoot better, I don't know, but that is as good as I can shoot it.

Blood trails are decent, better than ones made with a roundball for sure.
 

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I shoot 300 grain .452 xtp's over 100 grains of Goex 3f in my RMC. They are plenty accurate clear out to 125 yards. Every deer I have shot with it goes no where but I wouldn't say it's any better than a ball as far as bleeding would go. None of mine have ever ran when hit with the xtp but there isn't a lot of blood on the snow where they fall. It doesn't expand much and the area around the bullet hole will show it doesn't have much shock.

I shoot for the shoulder and they just fold up on the spot. I don't like the possibility that a conical will move in the barrel so I don't use them unless paper patched. The RMC is a tack driver with the Hornady Great Plains bullets but I never shot a deer with one.

I like my RMC but I still for whatever reason seem to reach for a ball gun most of the time. Currently shooting a Lyman .54 Deerstalker and I really like it.
 
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