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Going, going ... maybe gone?

That could be the story with Pennsylvania's pheasants.

Wild birds — save for those reintroduced to mixed results in a few areas — long ago disappeared. In their place, the Pennsylvania Game Commission releases about 200,000 pen-reared birds a year for hunters.

But that program is in jeopardy.

The cost of a hunting license hasn't increased since 1999. The result is the commission is facing a $25 million budget deficit for fiscal year 2017-18, which begins July 1, said board president Brian Hoover of Delaware County. That's going to necessitate cutbacks, he said.

“There will be programs that will disappear, that will end,” Hoover said.

The pheasant program, which costs close to $5 million a year, could be one of those, he added. That would be felt a year from now.

The birds currently on the agency's game farms will be released as planned. Stockings will begin in time for the junior hunter pheasant season that begins Oct. 8. The statewide season opens Oct. 22.

That could be it, though.

If no additional revenue is forthcoming, the birds typically kept to produce next year's crop likely will be released, too, said commission deputy executive director Rich Palmer.

“There wouldn't be any sense in maintaining an overwintering flock if there's no intention of continuing the program,” Palmer said.

Commissioners have been looking to one piece of legislation to save the day.

Senate Bill 1166 would give the commission the authority — for the first time in its 120-plus-year history — to set its own fees. Right now, only lawmakers can adjust prices.

That bill cleared a hurdle this past week. Having passed the state Senate earlier this summer, Tuesday it was voted out of the House of Representatives game and fisheries committee. That sent it to the full House for consideration.

That body has 11 days left between Monday and Nov. 15 to approve it and send it to Gov. Tom Wolf for his signature.

Work on the bill has been ongoing for 20 months, said Rep. Keith Gillespie, a York County Republican who chairs the game and fisheries committee. Lawmakers who have shown a “lack of intestinal fortitude” in declining to raise license fees for nearly two decades must finally act, he said.

“We need to do it now,” Gillespie said.

Commissioners are hoping they will.

Development of the 2017-18 budget begins in October, Palmer said. Licenses good for the 2017-18 license year don't go on sale until June.

But if commissioners knew they could count on raising fees by then, they could commit to keeping the pheasant program operating, Hoover said.

And raise them they would, including in a new way.

Some have been calling for the commission to create a pheasant hunting stamp required of all those who hunt the stocked birds.

Dennis Duza, a retired commission employee, has been beating that drum for more than a year. He did so again at the board's meeting last week. He said the high cost of the program and the fact fewer hunters — about 10 percent of license buyers in 2014 — are pursuing pheasants makes a stamp a must.

“Short and brief, we need a pheasant stamp,” Duza said.

Board members initially rejected that idea, saying they wanted small-game hunters to be able to take birds incidentally if the opportunity arose.

A realization they need to be “smart with our dollars” has prompted a change of heart, said commissioner Tim Layton of Windber.

Hoover agrees and said a pheasant stamp likely is “in the cards” moving forward. It would be required only of the most dedicated hunters, though.

Commissioners are leaning toward allowing those who buy a general hunting license to take two pheasants a year, Hoover said. They would have to be tagged, just like a deer.

Hunters wanting to take additional birds would have to buy the stamp, Hoover said.

What it might cost has yet to be determined. The goal, though, is clear: to keep the pheasant program operating while considering the budget, Layton said.

“We've made some concessions. That's what it's really about,” Layton said.

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I don't hunt pheasants in Pennsylvania but I know some folks who, if they didn't have PA Game Commission Birds, would have no bird hunting at all.
 

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I totally agree with a pheasant stamp and will have no problem buying one. I think the stamp should have been enacted long ago. Other states have a special small game license or a stamp so why shouldn't we? It's time to stop catering to cheap skates!
 

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4got2duck said:
I totally agree with a pheasant stamp and will have no problem buying one. I think the stamp should have been enacted long ago. Other states have a special small game license or a stamp so why shouldn't we? It's time to stop catering to cheap skates!
Please, enlighten us on your definition of "cheapskate" in this context.....
 

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4got2duck said:
I totally agree with a pheasant stamp and will have no problem buying one. I think the stamp should have been enacted long ago. Other states have a special small game license or a stamp so why shouldn't we? It's time to stop catering to cheap skates!
Amen. I hope they finally do right by the program & all license holders and enact it. I look forward to purchasing a pheasant stamp and the cheapskates can still get their two and they better be happy about that.
 

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Giving the PGC the control over license increases is the best hope for getting a stamp. The legislators have hurt hunting and wildlife in PA by not allowing a license increase in almost 20 years. Rep Maloney says that deer do not damage forests. This is the problem with politicians trying to make game management decisions. They don't have the knowledge to do it.
 

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A politicians number 1 job after getting elected is "getting re-elected".

Not necessarily what is in the best interest of the public, whether it's the citizens or PA's sportsman.

It is terribly unfortunate sportsman (hunters, fisherman and others that enjoy the outdoors) do not have a singular voice/sense of direction to help shape the sportsman's destiny that is better than what the elected officials provide.

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"The Struggle Continues"
 

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I think it would put much much more pressure on the Grouse Populations if this happened. Many folks over the past few years have bought pups just to chase pheasants and if they stop the program there has to be much much more pressure on the only other upland game bird in the state (Grouse). Grouse are already having enough problems with WNV in the state and shrinking habitat.

Also think this will greatly affect those older hunters who can easily navigate around the managed SGL where access is good and walking isn't too difficult. I saw a couple of folks last year who were in their 80's walking behind a couple of GSP's and they loved the stocking program as they felt it extended their abilities to hunt in their Golden years.

IMO If they want to save the program, a Pheasant Stamp is certainly in order. PS. I also wonder about those beautifully managed SGL in the state which will no doubt become hardly used for the most part. They were really built for upland bird hunting (and deer as well), and sure seems like a waste not to use them to their fullest capabilities.
 

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I wonder what will happen with the prices of all the other licenses if they get to name their own price?

What if instead of a special stamp they just increase the price of all the other licenses a few dollars? This doesn't effect the rules and regulations we are all familiar with, and effectively has the same outcome (more revenue to continue the program)... But what do I know, i'm not a politician or an economist or an ecologist or....
 

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I am in support of a pheasant stamp and I have always been in support of a pheasant stamp.

Comparatively speaking...a hunt at a local preserve is sold at a cost of $225. That covers 4 hunters at 3 hours and your quarry is a mixed bag of 10 birds. That comes out at $22.50 per bird and under a time limit at that.

So...if the PGC decided to charge $20+/- for a pheasant stamp that would be a BARGAIN!!!!! That's 99 days (not including the youth season)that you could hunt from sun up to sun down. You could harvest 2 pheasants on each of those days for a total of 198 birds.

There is no way that charging $20 or more is too expensive for the chance to enjoy the outdoors, have fun with family/friends, and harvest beautiful birds in the great state of Pennsylvania. The program is expensive but it is worth while. Those of us that utilize it should subsidize it.

The PGC should charge enough that youth hunters would not need the stamp. Senior hunters have the most free time and ability to harvest the stocked birds so I feel that they should be required to purchase the stamp.
 

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I have a Bird Dog. Work a lot. Would love a Stamp if more Birds are put out so you have a sporting chance at one. Seems all we do is go for walks anymore. They are all gone by the end of the day of stocking. Just my 2 cents.
 

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I belong to a private pheasant hunting club. We hunt for 6 mo a year. I will avg shooting 200+ birds a year in front of my dog so I already have lots of time chasing birds.

If the program dies I will still be disappointed & I hope they can work something out. For me it is a opportunity to show my dog some different ground but for many it is their only chance to have the thrill of a bird jumping up.

Not that I matter much in the grand scheme but the pheasant hunting is the only reason I buy a PA hunting license, it goes & I see no reason to buy a license as I do not need one one our clubs land.
 

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Kebco said:
I belong to a private pheasant hunting club. We hunt for 6 mo a year. I will avg shooting 200+ birds a year in front of my dog so I already have lots of time chasing birds.

If the program dies I will still be disappointed & I hope they can work something out. For me it is a opportunity to show my dog some different ground but for many it is their only chance to have the thrill of a bird jumping up.

Not that I matter much in the grand scheme but the pheasant hunting is the only reason I buy a PA hunting license, it goes & I see no reason to buy a license as I do not need one one our clubs land.
Looking for new members? lol
 

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Feddog82 said:
I am in support of a pheasant stamp and I have always been in support of a pheasant stamp.

Comparatively speaking...a hunt at a local preserve is sold at a cost of $225. That covers 4 hunters at 3 hours and your quarry is a mixed bag of 10 birds. That comes out at $22.50 per bird and under a time limit at that.

So...if the PGC decided to charge $20+/- for a pheasant stamp that would be a BARGAIN!!!!! That's 99 days (not including the youth season)that you could hunt from sun up to sun down. You could harvest 2 pheasants on each of those days for a total of 198 birds.

There is no way that charging $20 or more is too expensive for the chance to enjoy the outdoors, have fun with family/friends, and harvest beautiful birds in the great state of Pennsylvania. The program is expensive but it is worth while. Those of us that utilize it should subsidize it.

The PGC should charge enough that youth hunters would not need the stamp. Senior hunters have the most free time and ability to harvest the stocked birds so I feel that they should be required to purchase the stamp.
I agree completely with what's said above on every level. To speak to Bobcat, there are days the dog and I get skunked but more often than not I have little issue finding birds a week or two after each stocking.
 

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bobcat1 said:
I have a Bird Dog. Work a lot. Would love a Stamp if more Birds are put out so you have a sporting chance at one. Seems all we do is go for walks anymore. They are all gone by the end of the day of stocking. Just my 2 cents.
How about paying for what you get now? It's funny that several members have supported a stamp to get more than the $5M worth of birds currently available.

I'm sorry you have problems finding birds. My beagles seem to have no problems finding a few well after stocking...
 

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bobcat1 said:
I have a Bird Dog. Work a lot. Would love a Stamp if more Birds are put out so you have a sporting chance at one. Seems all we do is go for walks anymore. They are all gone by the end of the day of stocking. Just my 2 cents.
How about paying for what you get now? It's funny that several members have supported a stamp to get more than the $5M worth of birds currently available.

I'm sorry you have problems finding birds. My beagles seem to have no problems finding a few well after stocking...
As a fellow beagler, we all know thats because those stocked birds ran to thickest nastiest stuff and the only ones in there hunting are us guys with the hounds.
 
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