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I think he should be allowed into the hall of fame based on his contributions as a player, not what he did in his second career, managing which is where the betting accrued.
Do a little research. In his book he admits to betting on Reds as a player then later as a manager. He should never ever be admitted to the HOF.
 

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Are you sure you're from Kunkle and not Noxen?!? :) j/k

But seriously, two wrongs dont make a right and the judgement should fit the crime. So don't compare apples to oranges. That the same argument the Dems use and it just doesn't work.

Kunkle is a suburb of Noxen.



The punishment should fit the crime. No proof any game was altered. No games were altered. Apples to apples. Not everything is political. And nothing I said was political. With the first wrong the guy is outcast for life without harming anyone. With the speeding wrong again no one was hurt but the kid gets to drive home and maybe lose driving privileges for a few days or weeks from Dad. Waugh!
 

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Do a little research. In his book he admits to betting on Reds as a player then later as a manager. He should never ever be admitted to the HOF.

Not quite. He said he bet on sports and baseball including betting on the Reds when he was a player/manager.

He should be allowed a chance to be admitted to the hall of fame for his playing days. Prior to his player manager days. Let the hall decide. Let the writers decide. Why should one man be able to decide the fate of the best players to ever play the game. If he played for NY or LA he would be in already. Waugh!
 

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Comparatively, in light of some recent sickening Presidential Pardons of blatant criminals.......give Pete a pass!
 

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Many folks here never watched him play. I did. He didn’t EARN the name, Charlie Hustle, because he was a slouch. Go back and watch some archived footage. The most aggressive in all major leagues sports.

Watch him barrel over Ray Fosse in All Star Game.

No half measures with this guy.
What a bunch of bunk.Yes he bowled him over but he played hard in EVERY game.He didn,t take days off like these wimps today.Injured reserve was NOT in his vocabulary.He played with broken fingers and more.He was a vital tool in The Big Red Machine.
 

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Vital tool in the 1980 Phillies world Series win. Backed up Bob Boone on a pop up to the catcher and made a great play. Hustle was a way of life for him. Want to teach a kid how to play a game of baseball show them how he played and what hard work and dedication gets you in results. Waugh!
 

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Vital tool in the 1980 Phillies world Series win. Backed up Bob Boone on a pop up to the catcher and made a great play. Hustle was a way of life for him. Want to teach a kid how to play a game of baseball show them how he played and what hard work and dedication gets you in results. Waugh!
Theres no doubt he was one of the best and being a Pirate fan we had to deal with him when he played and i hated both teams he played on but im not too naive to not realize he was one of the best to ever play the game!
 

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The Pirates were no slouch in the 70's. I recall sitting next to a seat with a big star in the nose bleed section of Veterans stadium. How many teams have that kind of respect for an opponent. Waugh!
 

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I don’t think anybody can question Pete’s work ethic or the fact that he has the numbers to be in the Hall. The only thing in question is his betting on MLB baseball games. Sometimes from the dugout! Think about that, he was so addicted to gambling he couldn’t even wait until after he was outside of the Stadium to get his bets in to his bookie.

How many on this thread think Pete was above betting on his own team? I don’t because addicted gamblers will bet on anything. They need that fix, that rush they get from laying down the bet and watching the wheel spin.


Btw, being a lifelong Phillies fan I watched Pete play in a lot of games at Veterans Stadium, nobody played the game like he played the game.
 

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I don’t think anybody can question Pete’s work ethic or the fact that he has the numbers to be in the Hall. The only thing in question is his betting on MLB baseball games. Sometimes from the dugout! Think about that, he was so addicted to gambling he couldn’t even wait until after he was outside of the Stadium to get his bets in to his bookie.

How many on this thread think Pete was above betting on his own team? I don’t because addicted gamblers will bet on anything. They need that fix, that rush they get from laying down the bet and watching the wheel spin.


Btw, being a lifelong Phillies fan I watched Pete play in a lot of games at Veterans Stadium, nobody played the game like he played the game.
Spot on. Rose was a degenerate gambler and a proven lier. He bet on his team as a player and player/coach. Anyone remember the guy that the postal inspectors caught with a mail order business of counterfit sports memorabilia. Remember the book that was found with betting records that included Rose's bets. The bookies knew when to bet the Reds. Rose bet on games for Reds to win. When Rose didn't bet the bookies cleaned up because it was a signal the Reds would lose. Payback for Rose's losses maybe.

And what about all the accusations of sex with underaged girls. How many were paid off to shut them up?

And that bulldozer hit on in the all star game. Many called that dirty play. Especially when Rose stood over Fosse taunting.

The guy is a sleaze and should never ever be admitted to the HOF.
 

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I don’t think anybody can question Pete’s work ethic or the fact that he has the numbers to be in the Hall. The only thing in question is his betting on MLB baseball games. Sometimes from the dugout! Think about that, he was so addicted to gambling he couldn’t even wait until after he was outside of the Stadium to get his bets in to his bookie.
Then we have guys like "Secretary of Defense" Dexter Manley who had at least 2 lifetime bans from the NFL and Lawrence Taylor who retired so he didnt have to be drug tested anymore and went into the Hall of Fame and on to the Sex Offenders list.

Everyone has flaws, some are just a lot better at hiding them. If you look at Babe Ruth's lifestyle while he was a player he wasn't much of a role model for kids. Most posters on here were not even born when he was alive yet everyone heard of him and stories how great a player he was.

Pete Rose was not the most athletic person I ever saw but he made use of what he had and then some, without PED's
As a player Rose deserves to be forever remembered in Cooperstown.
Hopefully it could happen while he can still see it.
 

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After further consideration and seeing some of the stuff in the news from the former Astros manager and some of the current players, unless MLB vacates the Houston World Series win (and possibly Boston's if Cora took the idea with him), then Pete Rose and others who are banned from baseball should be admitted as candidates for the Hall of Fame.


Only to be elected to the Hall. They can still be banned from any other role with the league or a team.


I cannot see or agree with how you know that your league champion systematically and intentionally cheated and other than some symbolic punishment after the fact, that trophy and banner still reside in Houston, but yet you keep individuals out of the HOF when in fact no one has proven jack squat about Rose doing anything out of line WHILE HE PLAYED. And please, back in those days how many MLB players were on "greenies" as they were called? He was the same as any other player of his era and his on the field performance was better than theirs.


I am not a Rose defender. Seems like someone I would not want to hang around with. But, I cannot support double standards, and you have a World Series champ that had an organizational cheating problem and they keep their trophy. You have more hard proof that what they did affected the outcome of games, more so than Rose's betting.



Give Rose his bust, state on his plaque that he was banned permanently from the game and why, and let him be a cautionary tale for young athletes.


But to shun any player, and then put your arm around one of your billionaire owners, guess it just means once they stopped making big money off of Rose the player selling tickets, they can toss him in the trash.
 

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If the mlb chooses to ignore all the cheaters that took steroids and the whole Houston thing. I think Pete Rose’s debt has been paid and then some.
He took a financial hit like most of us can’t imagine. I’m sure he regrets ever gambling on baseball and for those that didn’t see him play he will always be remembered for betting on baseball.

If you ever wanted to show your kids how to play the game. You would want to show them Pete Rose!

Then Chase Utley!
 

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He took a financial hit like most of us can’t imagine. I’m sure he regrets ever gambling on baseball.


That he took a financial hit is unquestionably true. Pete never met an autograph seeker that he didn’t want to sell he signature to.

That he regrets betting on baseball? I think Pete only regrets getting caught because it cost him plenty of cash along with the prestige of being in the Hall.

Pete is a Hall of Fame player (talentwise) but not even close to being a Hall of Fame person.
 

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That he took a financial hit is unquestionably true. Pete never met an autograph seeker that he didn’t want to sell he signature to.

That he regrets betting on baseball? I think Pete only regrets getting caught because it cost him plenty of cash along with the prestige of being in the Hall.

Pete is a Hall of Fame player (talentwise) but not even close to being a Hall of Fame person.

If the character and integrity of a ball player weighed more on whether they got in the hall or not. I think some would have to be taken out of the hall. Or baseball period! Not a coaching job for cheating and breaking records that stood for decades.
Rose is stupid!!! That shouldn’t keep him out of the hall
 

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Rose is stupid!!! That shouldn’t keep him out of the hall
But, it is his stupidity that kept him out of the Hall. Pete knows exactly what he did to be banned for life. He didn’t want that information to get out to the public and he went so far as to agree to a lifetime ban to keep it that way. So, what exactly did he do? Bet against his own team? If I was betting man, I’d say it’s a good bet that’s exactly what he did. Every gambler wants the lead pipe lock, the bet that can’t lose and Pete had inside knowledge. Heck, as manager, he had control of the game.

Maybe some day the entire true story will come out.
 

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I think we all can agree than Integrity is paramount in our society and one of the most important lessons we can teach our children, grandchildren, etc..

Pete Rose made a choice, he chose to bet on baseball. His choice has/had consequences for this lack of integrity. He should NOT be awarded for that. Allowing him into the hallf of fame teaches our younger generations that breaking the rules has no consequences. That is an awful lesson.[/QUOTE


So if your child is expelled from school for having tobacco should he be banned from school for ever? How about speeding, we know speeding kills people but your kid did not kill someone just over the limit and got caught. Should we take away the drivers license forever. The consequences should be a deterrent not a banishment. Are we teaching our children to not bother to be the best they can be because somewhere down the road it can be taken away for one misstep?
Do we remove children with a 4.0 grade average from the honor roll because they cut a few classes or had taken a few days off to go hunting? Really what are our children learning from us?

Waugh!

So, Rose was a child when all this cheating took place? We don't typically enforce rules for children and adults with the same level of intensity. Children may not realize the consequences of their behavior, we hold adults to much more strict standard because they do know the difference between right and wrong.
We also always give children the benefit of the doubt and a second chance...adults, not so much.
 
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