The "standards" of baseball players have changed little since the games inception, only how we perceive them. Before Ruth they were considered lazy buffoons unable to get a real job. Alcohol abuse was always prevelent and probably beginning with night games and cross country travel amphetmines were common, and remain common in all sports. Does anyone remember pitchers using butazolidin in the 60's and 70's?. Koufax? I think they shot that drug into race horses so they couldn't feel their feet. Pitchers threw a lot of pitches in those days, numb was good. Codine, cocaine, steroids, oxycontin, vicoden even viagra. Some pitchers handed out amphetimines before games. When Rose was in Philly he was caught in the greenie scandel. There are already guys in the hall who were steroid abusers. Canseco told the truth. Any sport, anytime in history has been dirty. Anything for an edge. Anything to keep you in the game. I can accept the PED's but gambling on the team you are managing?......Owners have always known about PED's and accepted them. (And anyone involved with the game knew too). Gambling while you are a player or manager has always been a no no and could not possibly be overlooked.surveyor said:Pete Rose is far from a dirt bag by todays standards. There is no question about that Compared to all of the cheaters of the eighties and nineties. but it is what it is. Its hard to believe that he is seventy five years old though.
Tell that to the kids he walked right past and ignored when they asked for an autograph. Pete wanted to be in the Hall for two reasons......surveyor said:Pete Rose is far from a dirt bag by todays standards. There is no question about that Compared to all of the cheaters of the eighties and nineties. but it is what it is. Its hard to believe that he is seventy five years old though.
As a heart attack. Isn't Tommy John sugery performance enhancing? You could make the argument it is.surveyor said: