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MEMORANDUM

Posted:​
March 8, 2023 01:48 PM
From:​
Senator Lisa M. Boscola
To:​
All Senate members
Subject:​
Changing Opening Day of PA Deer Rifle Season
In the near future, I intend to introduce legislation that will permanently move the opening day of Pennsylvania Deer Rifle Season back to the Monday after Thanksgiving.

The annual deer rifle season is special in Pennsylvania. My office received a number of letters and phone calls regarding the impact of moving opening day to the Saturday after Thanksgiving. Local business owners and hunters seem aligned that the move of opening day has hurt businesses and many of the traditions associated with the longstanding original opening day. Currently, deer season begins the Saturday after Thanksgiving. It has been this way since a change in 2019.

This legislation will not affect Sunday hunting, nor will it determine the duration of the season. It is my hope that you will join me in supporting legislation to change opening day back.
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Most people archery hunt with the goal of getting a good deer not shooting the first deer that walks past, you’ve got weeks, why rush?
Whole heartedly disagree. Archery hunting by nature does not make you a trophy hunter. Using generalities in claiming most is what invalidates your argument to those who may not agree with you.
Now, why do semantics matter of why someone chooses to shoot a deer or not? Why someone chooses to shoot or not doesnt matter.
thats why God made groundhogs. months of practice before deer season. if you can hit them, you can hit a deer.
And red tag
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What percentages of PA's rifle hunters live in groundhog hunting country? Have access to land to hunt them. Or even live in areas where you can shoot a gun, let alone a high-powered rifle.

Face it, a lot of our rifle hunters are city/suburbs guys who head to camp 2-3 days a year. Not everyone is gung-ho. If we want to lose all those people, we're going to have a lot less of a collective.
I've been saying this too, there is room us all, the hard core go getters and the go because it's not golfing season fellas. We need the casual hunters just as much as any other type of hunter...
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Doesn't really matter. It's another license not bought. Older hunters are dying or aging out. Young people aren't that interested in starting. If we have a bunch of casual hunters who buy licenses but aren't hugely invested in hunting, it's still those licenses we want sold. Isn't that what this all boils down to? Keeping our numbers up? A lot in life these days to draw hunters away.
Yes but not only. It also to keep folks that may not be as vested as some thinking positively about hunting. It about having numbers of folks who are sympathetic to our passion so that when legislation comes down trying to take it away from us we have guys that say I'm not that into it but that doesn't mean it should go away, so they'll vote against that kind of legislation.
. We need the casual hunters just as much as any other type of hunter...
Yes, we do.
And I for one think the casual would be more likely to take advantage of a Saturday opener than a Monday simply because they can do it without having to take a day off work. That to me trumps the “no time to sight in” aspect when it comes to the casual.
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Yes, we do.
And I for one think the casual would be more likely to take advantage of a Saturday opener than a Monday simply because they can do it without having to take a day off work. That to me trumps the “no time to sight in” aspect when it comes to the casual.
I really liked taking days off of work. We used to call it vacation.😝😝
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I really liked taking days off of work. We used to call it vacation.😝😝
Same here.
Difference is now I hunt 4 days of rifle and only use 2 vacation days instead of 4... which adds 2 more days to use whenever I want...
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Same here.
Difference is now I hunt 4 days of rifle and only use 2 vacation days instead of 4... which adds 2 more days to use whenever I want...
When you retire every day is a vacation day. Well, until people find out you can do stuff!
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i dont want to be in the woods w
When you retire every day is a vacation day. Well, until people find out you can do stuff!
i've been retired since 2015. a retired person can do tons of stuff and still have time to work, do chores but mostly hunt, maybe fish....any day of the week, day or night ANYTIME
sometimes they even hunt deer during the day then coyote all night and sleep a few hours the next day :)
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Whole heartedly disagree. Archery hunting by nature does not make you a trophy hunter. Using generalities in claiming most is what invalidates your argument to those who may not agree with you.
Now, why do semantics matter of why someone chooses to shoot a deer or not? Why someone chooses to shoot or not doesnt matter.
I never said anything about being a trophy hunter and I specifically wrote deer to include does. I myself am highly selective on what deer I take and had multiple opportunities on young bucks and does during archery and shot none of them, they weren’t the deer I wanted to shoot at that time.

In archery you have weeks of relatively patternable deer and good weather, you have the option to be selective as you have weeks to work with. Doesn’t matter if you want to shoot the first deer you see, the big doe that snorts at you, the giant 9pt on your camera, that funky looking one with a spike on the right and 4 up on the left or the piebald doe that showed up one time and was never seen again. You can hunt all of the fall archery season and even if you don’t see a deer well there is always rifle season to fall back on.

It’s not like rifle where the season is so short with so much pressure you may only get a couple of opportunities and have to choose which ones to capitalize on. If you don’t hunt the late season then any deer you pass up my be the last one you see for the year. That adds a certain amount of pressure to every encounter that isn’t present in archery because “there is always rifle season”.

But to your original point, I was referring to the harvest difference between archery and rifle not being solely due to the efficiency difference between rifles and bows. Archery hunters overall are more selective than rifle hunters and that’s not my opinion, that’s what the harvest numbers show. Archery kills does to bucks on a 1 to 1 ratio compared to rifle which is much closer to 2 to 1. I don’t have the age data but I would venture to say that they are also killing more larger older does as well.

If archery hunters were killing deer at the same rate as rifle then the archery harvest numbers would mirror the same 2 to 1 doe to buck ratio or a blended number between the two. The fact that they are not shows that deer are more selectively targeted during archery than they are in rifle season even if it is the same hunter in both cases.

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So to make a long story less long your statement was

That's not correct, rifle is king and will be king for some time. It takes archery hunters the 11 weeks to even approach what rifle does in the 2 weeks.
It's pretty obvious that they wanted to provide more opportunity where they can in the current model of conservation pa has.
The point I was trying to make was that if archery hunters were less selective and shot deer the same way rifle hunters do, button bucks and yearling does included, then they would have a significantly higher harvest much closer to if not overtaking the total rifle harvest in the first 6 weeks.
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