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It was a joke about the coke, the only thing that’s been up my nose in 56 years is my finger! Some of you folks need to relax!!
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My comment refers to accommodating the hunters that do the bulk of the herd control. Extending the archery season is in the hope that they will have the time to remove deer in a relaxed time frame. But than rushing rifle hunters that have camps seems to be just the opposite.
So to the question of why the PGC should cater to the camp type hunters is simple. Because these hunters are the ones that have invested in the harvest of deer in their area. They are the known population of hunters that could be counted on ( historically) to hunt specific areas. Non camp hunters like myself are more nomadic and will not be tied to any one area. Waugh!
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No one asked you but I respect your opinion. I was asked so I gave it.
The old system also worked for all willing to make it work for them for many years. So why was it changed. Waugh!
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I still hate the new format on this site. Makes it too hard to follow a topic once you reply to someone. Again this is just my opinion. Waugh!
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I dont doubt the situation posted above exists in some households.
But; there is also the opposite situation where family/friends are able to hunt that first Saturday because of being in town for the long Thanksgiving holiday weekend.
I have yet to read where anyone has been able to verify which situation is more prevalent.
Good luck, Tony
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its not about what day is better, its all about what day fits a persons schedule better. no matter what day it is, it will negatively impact someone, somewhere unless they make opening day a holiday here in PA. move it back to Monday and give everybody monday off.
fixed it ! what else needs fixed ?
Everyone concentrates on the problems we're having in Our Country lately:
Illegal immigration, hurricane recovery, alligators attacking people in Florida.
Not me -- I concentrate on solutions for the problems -- it's a win-win situation.
Any other problems you want solved?
Think about this:
1. Cows
2. The Constitution
3.The Ten Commandments
COWS
Is it just me, or does anyone else find it amazing that during the mad cow epidemic our government could track a single cow, born in Canada almost three years ago, right to the stall where she slept in the state of Washington and, they tracked her calves to their stalls. But they are unable to locate 11 million illegal aliens wandering around our country.
CONSTITUTION
they keep talking about drafting a Constitution for Iraq why don't we just give them ours? It was written by a lot of really smart guys, it has worked for over 200 years, and we're not using it anymore.
THE 10 COMMANDMENTS
the real reason that we can't have the Ten Commandments posted in a Federal building or Courthouse is this -- you cannot post 'Thou Shalt Not Steal' 'Thou Shalt Not Commit Adultery' and 'Thou Shall Not Lie' in a building full of politicians, it creates a hostile work environment.
fixed it ! what else needs fixed ?
Everyone concentrates on the problems we're having in Our Country lately:
Illegal immigration, hurricane recovery, alligators attacking people in Florida.
Not me -- I concentrate on solutions for the problems -- it's a win-win situation.
- Dig a moat the length of the Mexican border.
- Send the dirt to New Orleans to raise the level of the levees.
- Put the Florida alligators in the moat along the Mexican border.
Any other problems you want solved?
Think about this:
1. Cows
2. The Constitution
3.The Ten Commandments
COWS
Is it just me, or does anyone else find it amazing that during the mad cow epidemic our government could track a single cow, born in Canada almost three years ago, right to the stall where she slept in the state of Washington and, they tracked her calves to their stalls. But they are unable to locate 11 million illegal aliens wandering around our country.
CONSTITUTION
they keep talking about drafting a Constitution for Iraq why don't we just give them ours? It was written by a lot of really smart guys, it has worked for over 200 years, and we're not using it anymore.
THE 10 COMMANDMENTS
the real reason that we can't have the Ten Commandments posted in a Federal building or Courthouse is this -- you cannot post 'Thou Shalt Not Steal' 'Thou Shalt Not Commit Adultery' and 'Thou Shall Not Lie' in a building full of politicians, it creates a hostile work environment.
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It has nothing to do with being relaxed, archery season length has everything to with success rates, rifle hunters are more successful. Especially as you break it down, success per hours spent hunting, success per sit, success per season length success per capita. It's not about providing a relaxed environment, the so called "relaxed time frame" is the product of season length it's about providing enough opportunity to allow for hunter success to aid in herd control. Although I'd argue that if you added a week or more to the rifle season the two highest impact days will still be the opener and Saturdays. So the natural move to opening it on a weekend makes sense, so would allowing Sundays throughout.
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....you can pick your nose.
....you can pick your friends.
....you can pick your friends nose.
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I can agree to most of that. However I think you missed two words in the statement about archery season. Those words are "lack of" and should be right before success rates. And it is all spelled out like you explained. More days are needed in archery season to come close to the success rates per hours hunted. It has little to do with the hunters skills or methods and everything to to do with the hunters "relaxed" attitude. When you have the time to be selective hunters will be more selective. When time is running out hunters become more effective as a management tool.
I keep hearing on here that hunters today want to save vacation days for family vice hunting, which is noble, but still a choice. It is also possible many hunters use up vacation time chasing the archery dream when there are more deer than there will be in rifle season. ( spell that deer as buck) Taking vacation time in a more "relaxed" setting with less competition and with a herd that is less pressured or "relaxed" not to mention less aware of any thing not breeding related. Again a choice to use the vacation time when you don't have to choose to use it if your months of archery come up short. I think hunters today use just as much of their vacation time to hunt as in the past but now spread it out. Which is not a bad thing in itself.
Yes the weekend days would still be the highest impact days if weeks were added to the rifle season. Hunter numbers afield and deer numbers still matter. However the opener would become more relaxed and once again hunters would become more selective. Moving the impact to the second or third weekends away from the opening day no matter the day. Waugh!
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I agree, and don't have a rebuttal. I don't see any of what you said as a negative, none of it. We have room in the sport for all hunters, the casual just get one fella, and the hard core hold outs. There are those that will pass on deer in rifle as well, and honestly it's not that big of deal. While we are the most important tool for herd control, that's doesn't mean that's our only role. Moving more available hunting to the weekend accommodates everyone.
Now that said, I don't have to change your mind, and I'm honestly not trying to. I use vacation time regardless of the season and also save some for the family. But I take hunting more serious than most do, atleast most I know do.
I really don't care when the opener is personally, I will make it happen because that's how I am, and there are only 2 things have made me miss and opener Uncle Sam, and my lady at home.
It changed to give hard working people who can't get off during the week 2 extra days to hunt, even if they only hunted those 2 days. It also gave every rifle hunter 2 extra days to hunt whether it did not fit into their holiday or camp schedule from the old archaic days of tradition. Many things in life change for the better other than the first day of rifle season. We all make personal choices in life whether they benefit us or not. Its not a matter of anybody asking me my opinion or not. If I choose to give it Im glad you respect it as I respect yours even if I totally disagree with it.
Hahahahahahahaha true dat.
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I wanted to give an update on this subject. I emailed all the Republicans and Democrats in Harrisburg over this and I got a reply back from one representative so far. He is saying it is just talk so far. He did say the reason they want to change it back is because license sales have not increased because of the Saturday opener and business are loosing money. He said he would be voting to take it back to Monday opener. He said he has to support the businesses who are loosing money. With that being said can anyone on here tell me why the legislators have a say in this and not the PGC? I'm just curious.
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...like we've said before...if these businesses depend on a this Saturday and or Sunday once a year need to either go back to school or face the fact that the internet and wallyworld, amozon, and fast food isn't going anywhere...and covid bs affected EVERYTHING which are the REAL reasons for losing money...not hunters bypassing their "store".
I never bought the camp guys made these businesses bank for a whole year on one weekend. Total bunk in my opinion. They could patronize these business or not. Me if I had a camp I would bring all my goods from home and save money. I wouldn't need to drink in their bars or shop their markets as I would have everything I need in my truck when I got to camp. I would not be there to shop I would be there to self sustain my camp and go hunting on the opener.
It's such a BS reason. Of course this is a BS state made that way by a BS legislature. If they really wanna support businesses that rely on just about solely on hunting dollars then they'd end their ban on Sunday hunting entirely.
Most of those businesses that are doing the best up there rely on outdoor recreation tourist dollars, which goes well beyond just hunting. And again, allowing for full Sunday hunting only helps add more dollars through all the hunting seasons.
Ask those businesses to show their records of losing money correlated to the change. I bet it goes really quiet fast.
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It does not matter one bit if anyone believes businesses lost money. It is completely irrelevant if anyone believes it or not. What does matter is that even if they did, that is totally unrelated to hunting and not the business of the PGC The only consideration that should be given to game management is hunting. This is the typical BS of exactly why legislators should remain out of game and fish management. Pretty scary that someone already knows they will support this if it does come up for a vote.
Did anyone seriously really even think that license sales were going to increase as a result of this move??? Because if they did, they are far, far more optimistic than I am about the future numbers of hunters.
Anyone out there who does not want to see this happen had better brush up on the reps email address and send their comments. If this rifle opener gets reversed, I believe it will go down as the single worst decision in the history of hunting in this state. And quite frankly, that is really saying something. I hope everyone who wants to run crying to their legislator every time they don't like something is happy.
And WW, no that is not directed at you. Just a comment on your post and thanks for the update that you got.
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The lady at home shoves me out the door to go hunting and Uncle Sam only made me miss 2 rifle openers in 30 years so I get to go when I want to go for the most part. I kind of don't care one way or the other everyday is a week end for me. Waugh!
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Many things in life change and not all for the better. One of those changes is the way some expect to be catered to whenever they think of an excuse. The other is when some use the legislative to make changes and criticize others when they use the same legislature to counter those changes. Good for the goose is good for the gander. Traditions do not become archaic simply because people find it too hard to find a work around.
So at what other older or more archaic traditions need to be abolished. The tradition to hunt with rifles since archery is capable. Maybe the tradition of having a deer season at all. Maybe we could move Thanksgiving to the Canadian date and do away with Christmas while we are at it.
I get adding the extra weekend up front to rifle. I understand it is additional effort at herd reduction without saying it is because hunters hate HR and love the AR, which is also additional HR but sold separately. I get that. Just move it back one week later and make many more happy. Waugh!
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