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MEMORANDUM

Posted:​
March 8, 2023 01:48 PM
From:​
Senator Lisa M. Boscola
To:​
All Senate members
Subject:​
Changing Opening Day of PA Deer Rifle Season
In the near future, I intend to introduce legislation that will permanently move the opening day of Pennsylvania Deer Rifle Season back to the Monday after Thanksgiving.

The annual deer rifle season is special in Pennsylvania. My office received a number of letters and phone calls regarding the impact of moving opening day to the Saturday after Thanksgiving. Local business owners and hunters seem aligned that the move of opening day has hurt businesses and many of the traditions associated with the longstanding original opening day. Currently, deer season begins the Saturday after Thanksgiving. It has been this way since a change in 2019.

This legislation will not affect Sunday hunting, nor will it determine the duration of the season. It is my hope that you will join me in supporting legislation to change opening day back.
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How about ruining a tradition that ran strong for 64 years!!
Nothing was ruined. was only made better
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along with moving the deer season opener back to the Monday after Thanksgiving how about giving us rifle hunters more days to hunt. the bow hunters get 4 to 6 weeks and the muzzleloaders get almost the same amount of hunting days. why not give the rifle hunters more days to hunt. a lot of guys have to work and dont get a lot of time to hunt. its time to give the rifle hunters some of the time that the other special hunters get.
Moving back to Saturday takes two weekend days away from hunters who do not have to work weekends and gave them 2 extra days two hunt that wouldn't require taking time off from work. How many more days of rifle are you looking for? Also who are the special hunters? Any hunter can hunt all the deer seasons if they choose and maximize your days to hunt. Nobody is forcing you to only hunt with a rifle. Use the seasons provided to you and the possibilities are endless.
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First things first. I don't think I was replying to your post when I wrote that. Second I find it ridiculously smug to compare fellow hunters to a child. We are all entitled to opinions. I don't care about what day of the week a season starts on nor the days of the week legal to hunt. However starting so close to a holiday ending does have issues for families, give it 15 20 years when you might want to travel to see your 2yo son's son.

What would be so bad as to wait a week and open it on the first of December no matter the day or just open it the second Saturday after Thanksgiving? Like you said things change , that is life. Waugh!
Lets leave it the way it is. It really works for most hunters. Sorry it doesnt work for you but I sure bet you get out there and hunt. If not you are displaced and it doesnt work for you. So many seasons to hunt and kill a deer that have nothing to do with opening rifle deer season on Monday after Thanksgiving. So glad we got rid of that stupid day. We now have more days to hunt that benefits so many hunters.
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lol had nothing to do with managing the resource, NONE
Had everything to do with managing the recourse. EVERYTHING
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Back in the hay-day, let's say around 1980, how many hunters were afield on the opening Monday?
That was the opening day 40 plus years ago. Doesnt carry any weight today. I bet there were a lot in 1980 and I was there. So glad Monday opener is never coming back.
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Just go back to the Monday opener,,, then everybody can stop their crying except the Saturday opener guys who cry about everything anyway.
Waynzee do you hunt on the new opener or do you wait to Monday? Just curious as I am as you say the Saturday opener guy who crys all the time. Real curious as to when you decide to hunt. Me and all us criers get out and hunt on the days the PGC tells us we can. Shot a real nice 8 point on my property this year on the first day of deer season. May not have seen that deer if I waited until Monday.
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Why wouldn't he hunt on the first day if he had the time? When the opener was on Monday did you always wait until the first Saturday? I would think most hunters get out as often as they could.
If you were on public land that deer you got on your land may have been shot before you even knew it existed. Why would a deer be gone from your land in 2 days unless you allow others to hunt it. Waugh!
That deer was actually shot 15 minutes before it came by me. Heard 3 shots on the neighbors and then he came from that direction. When i walked up to him he had a hole shot right through the antler beam. Surprised it wasn't blown off. Sure that deer could have been off my property in 2 days. they wander around from property to property here. When the opener was Monday yes I hunted that day if I could get off work, if not I waited until the first Saturday.
Just go back to the Monday opener,,, then everybody can stop their crying except the Saturday opener guys who cry about everything anyway.
Because most gun hunters only hunt a day and a 1/2. Where most archery hunters hunt every chance they get! Won鈥檛 be long till the archers get 4 months and rifle guys get 3 days 馃槀馃槀馃槀馃槣
Nothing wrong with that!!!!!
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Because most gun hunters only hunt a day and a 1/2. Where most archery hunters hunt every chance they get! Won鈥檛 be long till the archers get 4 months and rifle guys get 3 days 馃槀馃槀馃槀馃槣
Archery hunting and Rifle Saturday opener Rock. Best hunting opportunities PA hunters ever had in this state. Glad you said rifle hunters do not hunt much any more. Thats sad but to each his own. Hunt the way you want and enjoy the time you have out there regardless of when a season opens.
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Nope not happening. Rifle is becoming a season where the only ones that hunting didn鈥檛 kill during archery!
Agree with that.
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Sorry man, you can drive anywhere in the state on Tuesday of rifle and count cars / trucks on one hand out hunting. Drive around on the first Tuesday of archery and if ya got 10 bucks for every truck you鈥檇 be loaded.
Sorry man but I agree with that. Has nothing to do with which day rifle deer season opens. Man
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I actually prefer rifle season anymore. Archery season is nice, but it's just too easy. The season is very long and I just got tired of the same old cookie cutter stuff. Put in your time, wait for a decent buck to walk by, shoot it, repeat. Everyone who I know who consistently kills bucks does it in archery season. I do not know a single person who shoots a buck every year in rifle season.
I actually switched back to rifle season for a greater challenge.
I actually prefer the Sat and Sun openers because that's all anyone hunts. By noon Sunday the woods are empty and you have the rest of the season to yourself. I see deer out feeding in fields by the end of the first week. I've gotten my buck the second week of rifle season each of the last two years. Quite frankly, I am enjoying it more now.
Love the guys who stop hunting after the first two days. Deer really calm down after the camp warriors go home after two days. Long live the great tradition.
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Good post Trash, and believe it or not I do rifle hunt. The fact that you say it鈥檚 easier in archery as much as I don鈥檛 wanna agree with it, it鈥檚 the truth! Nice weather deer meandering around and beautiful weather. I have much better success in archery then I do in rifle.
Thats awesome so stay with it!!!!
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So your neighbor can't shoot. Sounds like it would have still been around 3 days later. Maybe with less points but still around. :whistle: Waugh!
Or it may not have been around......just saying:rolleyes:
The biggest opposition that I hear to the Saturday opener has nothing to do at all with hunting. It has to do with family being in from out of town for the Thanksgiving holiday. Guys don't want to leave to go to a camp or go out hunting and leave family sitting at home who they might only get to see a couple times a year.
You are absolutely right the Saturday opener has nothing to do with hunting and everything to do with camp people. We all make personal choices on how we spend time outdoors. The Monday opener is never coming back and most have moved on and adapted. You either stay home and enjoy the holidays with family or you go hunting. Very simple. A few on here trash the Saturday opener but that does not speak for all the hunters who make it work for them.
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True. It may not have been around on the 3rd day of the season. But if the season started on Monday it most likely would have been around unless someone hit it with their vehicle driving to camp from the VFW Saturday night. Or it could have been harvested during the archery season by the same guy that missed it with a rifle. What if is a game we all play. The fact you shot it on the opening day which was a Saturday does not change anything. Opening day is opening day and the hunters are out in numbers hunting a herd that will decrease in size each day of the season. Waugh!
Lot of variable's you put in there which is only your way of thinking. You cant predict when a deer will be anywhere. I said I shot that deer on the FIRST day of the season which is Saturday and Monday is never coming back. The fact that I shot it on Saturday the opening day is everything as it was my good fortune. And you are right opening day is Saturday after Thanksgiving. Right place right time I guess.
I guess I'm not as heck bent as you are on tying everything to camp owners. I no longer own a camp so am out of that loop. My info comes form people who I work with and from my son's activites. Many of those activities involve Saturday participation and quite a few people choose the activity over hunting, or complain about only getting to go for a couple hours. A couple guys I work with quit with family in from out of town.

As I said earlier, I have moved on and do not want to see it changed. But ignoring other people's problems and pretending they don't exist, and slamming them for itis as ignorant and "whiny" as some on here want to throw stones at others about. Saturday is here to stay, but that does not mean it is perfect for everyone. I still maintain that keeping it Saturday, but moving it back one week would solve alot and work the best for everyone involved.
Im not heck bent on anything. Sick of hearing all the whining from the other side so I respond from the other side. You assume things about me that are not fact. I always hunted the days I could get off work regardless if it was the first day. I tie nothing to camp owners they can do whatever works for them. All I say is the PGC sets the season and start dates. Works for some but not all. Nobody is ever going to be totally happy. If a guy quits hunting that is his business and decision.
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Well my suggestion would be to move the opening day to Dec 1 no matter the day of the week it falls on. But But but I know the people that work and the kids that have school and all the other reasons. Please note I did call them reasons and not excuses.

So my back up suggestion would be to start the season one whole week later. Kind of a simple concept, I think.
I don't see harvest changing on public or private land because of the one whole week without deer hunting. It also would give the female bred bears additional time to den up but that is a minor consideration. Waugh!
My suggestion is keep the season dates the way they are as prescribed by the PGC for all species. Works for most willing to make it work for them.
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No your spin was you shot it on the first day (Saturday) when asked about waiting til Monday ( 3rd day) and it would not have been around. So if the opener was Monday and you shot it, than on Wed ( the third day) it would not be around. My spin is just to unravel your spin.
I can predict there will be deer in my yard today and there will be more of them when I plant my garden. So yes I can predict when deer will be somewhere. I can also predict deer will bed down, get up, crap, pee, go find some food, and than bed down and repeat as long as they live. Deer are predictable creatures of habit. They are not mystical creatures of great and growing wisdom. Waugh!
You spin things different than me. Seems all you do is spin. You are right about one thing I shot it Saturday and it was not there Monday. Deer are not predictable creatures of habit. My spin is to debunk your spin which like I said you seem to spin a lot
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