Pennsylvania State Senate

Regardless of what I think about any given topic, I wish the legislators would stay the heck out of anything to do with game and fish management. And I wish everyone whining to their legislators would just shut up and realize that their opinion does not represent all sportspeople out there.

SRA-5C+ said:

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All that needs said right here......!!!

Brent20 said:

How about ruining a tradition that ran strong for 64 years!!

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You won't have to look hard to find my true feelings about that. But the only thing that would be dumber and more divisive and destructive than the initial reasons given for making that change would be to change it back again now. I hated the change and there are many revisionist historians on here who want to use smoke and mirrors about why it was done.

But as damaging as the move has been among hunters themselves I think I would hate it even more for it to change back now. Time to move on and hunt.

My gosh, it was SO nice to log on here for a month or so and not read anything about this STUPID FREAKIN TOPIC.

And now here we are.............................YET AGAIN. And I was stupid enough to chime in. I just want to scream. Guess it's time to get off of HPA for a couple months again until maybe, just maybe this crap can blow over. But I doubt that it will. Later fellas.

TrashPanda said:

there are many revisionist historians on here who want to use smoke and mirrors about why it was done.

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Never fails. They always make an appearance on these threads multiple times over...

I would rather see hunting die altogether than see it shift to accommodate the societal changes of today.

limbhnger10 said:

..not me...I'll never stop hunting.

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Trust me. My comment has nothing to do with hunting and everything to do with "societal changes."

I actually prefer rifle season anymore. Archery season is nice, but it's just too easy. The season is very long and I just got tired of the same old cookie cutter stuff. Put in your time, wait for a decent buck to walk by, shoot it, repeat. Everyone who I know who consistently kills bucks does it in archery season. I do not know a single person who shoots a buck every year in rifle season.
I actually switched back to rifle season for a greater challenge.
I actually prefer the Sat and Sun openers because that's all anyone hunts. By noon Sunday the woods are empty and you have the rest of the season to yourself. I see deer out feeding in fields by the end of the first week. I've gotten my buck the second week of rifle season each of the last two years. Quite frankly, I am enjoying it more now.

bradford13 said:

We only go to camp to drink, snort coke and hang with hookers.

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What's not to like other then the snorting part???Shoot a deer or two on top of that and life is great....

The biggest opposition that I hear to the Saturday opener has nothing to do at all with hunting. It has to do with family being in from out of town for the Thanksgiving holiday. Guys don't want to leave to go to a camp or go out hunting and leave family sitting at home who they might only get to see a couple times a year.

limbhnger10 said:

Pa whining hunters are their own worst enemy... = more crying.

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And neither side of this argument has any room to throw stones at the other on that regard because it goes both ways very hard.

GSP66 said:

For everyone of those guys that don't want to leave their family - there's another that's happy because their family's in from out of town and can now hunt with them.

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No doubt there are some. I simply stated the biggest argument that I hear. But with less than 10% of the population being hunters, I know for fact that there is not a hunter in return for everyone who is upset about it. The factual math simply does not bear that out regardless of what some want to make it appear.

Doesn't affect me. All my close family live very close to me and I see them all year thank goodness. Still, if that wasn't the case, I would choose family over hunting every time and we have no doubt lost participation due to that very reason.

Quite frankly, leaving the season structure as it is, but moving it a week later would solve alot. The problem for a lot of people is not starting on a Saturday, but having it start on the Saturday after Thanksgiving. But hey, if they want to "whine" because family is important to them then they must not be true hunters...

338/378wm said:

You are absolutely right the Saturday opener has nothing to do with hunting and everything to do with camp people. We all make personal choices on how we spend time outdoors. The Monday opener is never coming back and most have moved on and adapted. You either stay home and enjoy the holidays with family or you go hunting. Very simple. A few on here trash the Saturday opener but that does not speak for all the hunters who make it work for them.

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I guess I'm not as heck bent as you are on tying everything to camp owners. I no longer own a camp so am out of that loop. My info comes form people who I work with and from my son's activites. Many of those activities involve Saturday participation and quite a few people choose the activity over hunting, or complain about only getting to go for a couple hours. A couple guys I work with quit with family in from out of town.

As I said earlier, I have moved on and do not want to see it changed. But ignoring other people's problems and pretending they don't exist, and slamming them for itis as ignorant and "whiny" as some on here want to throw stones at others about. Saturday is here to stay, but that does not mean it is perfect for everyone. I still maintain that keeping it Saturday, but moving it back one week would solve alot and work the best for everyone involved.

The Pennsylvanian said:

This is not the argument that I'm hearing. The argument that guys don't want to leave to go to camp would be the same argument for the camp guys be it Saturday or Monday opener........

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Good for you. I didn't state it as fact, just as what I've been hearing.

338/378wm said:

. You assume things about me that are not fact.

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Please tell me what I'm assuming. When someone makes posts that almost always have a referral to camp people, not much is left to the imagination. Your opinion is your opinion. Just like everyone else.

338/378wm said:

All you do is assume. Your imagination is only that. Yes my opinion is mine as is yours.

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Lot's of smart people on here. Anyone so inclined can read for themself and decide. Tell us about all my assumptions. Should be quite easy since that's all I do....

338/378wm said:

Love the guys who stop hunting after the first two days. Deer really calm down after the camp warriors go home after two days. Long live the great tradition.

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Is this one of my assumptions???

338/378wm said:

your imagination is amazing

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What day do I prefer the opener to be?

338/378wm said:

I didnt ask you that question

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I know that. I asked you. It's just rather odd that when people share the same opinion that one quotes and remarks to the other so much as though they don't agree...probably just another assumption on my part...