Bluetick, you are living in the past. Most people I know have not received raises in years. In fact, many in the private sector have seen pay cuts and layoffs.Bluetick said:SMost state civil service folks work for less to get the Bennie's.
Don't complain about insolvent government. You are adding more employees to a broken system in the name of fairness.kudu58 said:I don't agree with Dick about everything, but I certainly agree with him here. Every LEO has surely earned every cent of pension that they get in retirement, same as military personnel. We can't thank these folks enough, let alone bash them for what they do receive just because times are a little hard right now.
The "me" mentality of today makes me want to vomit. And the "no pensions for any state employee" is one of the stupidest things I've ever read on here.
Hope this bill passes. Good luck with it BT.
kudu58 said:So if WCO's have it so good, why aren't all of you doing it for a living? Heck you've just about got me convinced to change professions. Think I'm just gonna stroll on out there and become a WCO, put in my time until I reach the maximum pay rate, which I'm certain will only take 6 months or so, then simply get myself assigned to the district of the state with the lowest median income so I can feel like I am doing way better than everybody else, finish out my time without getting injured or killed on the job and live out the rest of my life in the lap of luxury to everyone's else detriment. Sounds like a plan. Where do I sign up?
Give me a break...
How dare I care about the financial solvency of my state and nation. What a radical thought. But have no fear, I have a solution. When our governments exceed their revenues, we will generate more via tax increases. And we will repeat the process until be we become the USSA (United Social States of America.)kudu58 said:The "me" mentality of today makes me want to vomit. And the "no pensions for any state employee" is one of the stupidest things I've ever read on here.
Oh the poor, downtrodden public sector employees. Their 35 hour work week, weeks of paid vacation, sick days, personal days, health benefits, etc. just don't cut it.4c_game_chaser said:or maybe look at where all your taxes go and gripe and complain about the large ones. I'm so tired of the "my property taxes" and "my state taxes" argument. Look at your federal and your SS taxes. they are much larger, but no one is on here complaining about those. You get what you pay for in public service. Take away the benefits and you will have your average high school dropouts running the state because no one else will be dumb enough to take the jobs. Some are just jealous that they either didn't have the intelligence, foresight, clean record or desire to be a public employee. Give them the pensions they deserve.kudu58 said:
Right, because we our state and nation does not have a glut of college-educated young adults working jobs where no college education is needed.4c_game_chaser said:Take away the benefits and you will have your average high school dropouts running the state because no one else will be dumb enough to take the jobs. Some are just jealous that they either didn't have the intelligence, foresight, clean record or desire to be a public employee. Give them the pensions they deserve.kudu58 said:
I am not opposing some form of a retirement plan. What I oppose is a fixed benefit plan.Bluetick said:No not me.
Wayne you miss one thing, like it or not, from the ashes of the depression, Americans accepted the social contract where employers provided a retirement to employees in some fashion. That is the norm in this country, on top of social security.
Sure, some smaller companies may not offer that. But the vast majority of those posting on this site, private or public will acknowledge that their job has a retirement plan.
In the public sector, we have for years accepted that military has the 20 and out retirement.
Same for law enforcement and fire fighters, mostly.
Teacher contracts are all over the place.
I would have no issues doing the 20 and out, with a caveat that the person needs to be at least 62 to start collecting. In other words, take the full retirement at 50 forward, but no proceeds until later in life. Get another job that fits your desires and physical abilities. Or, stay in the job until you reach retirement age per Social security and pro-rate it as SS does.
That is wrong too. But, what kind of logic is it to say, oh they made a bad decision in the past, so we are going to use our "bad decision" that is owed to us?John S said:Funny I didn't hear any righteous indignation when the pension fund lent the state a ton of money thereby saving tax increases.
I don't know anyone who is trying to retroactively deny anyone what was previously agreed to. At least I am not. I am pushing for pension reform in the future.R.W.J said:You also didnt hear any of this in the 80's and 90's when the public sector was booming. The folks that took civil service jobs were laughed at. It just like the old tortise and the hare story. But now people want to point fingers and cry foul.John S said:Funny I didn't hear any righteous indignation when the pension fund lent the state a ton of money thereby saving tax increases.
Z,zimmerstutzen said:2Interesting how they want to have parity with the public sector, until the public sector goes down the tubes.
When he has enough money to fund his retirement.R.W.J said:So at what age should a L.E. Officer retire, at what age does declining health, strengh and reflexes make it unsafe for the Officer and the public?
None of the jobs I mentioned are required to take people into custody. (See how I actually answered the question???? I'm still waiting for you people to acknowledge whether you are in a union and/or pension beneficiary).R.W.J said:Which one of the occupations you just named are required to take somebody into custody? and have physical altercations?waynectyhunter said:When he has enough money to fund his retirement.R.W.J said:So at what age should a L.E. Officer retire, at what age does declining health, strengh and reflexes make it unsafe for the Officer and the public?
In terms of health, safety, etc., I suppose it would be the same age as a private sector plumber, construction worker, doctor, mechanic.