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Great commentary from John Eveland in response to PGC. He has documentaion (read FACTS ) from DCNR that tie the HR plan directly to the Green Certification Program for the sale of DCNR's lumber. He also states that a Scot Williamson was named to a group in 1998 started by the PGC to legitimize the deer reduction program. In Jan. 2000 he wrote a report for the group. I believe (FACT) it is the same Scot Williamson who was hired by Rep. David Levdansky to conduct the audit of the PGC's deer reduction plan. Now that's real justice. The man who helped write the plan is hired to audit it. To quote Mr. Eveland's article," This action is likely a violation of state law, and nullifies any credibility of the audit."
 

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Should I start the popcorn this early in the morning, or has this topic been pounded far enough into the ground that it's not only dead but buried.
 

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You believe anything.
 

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start the popcorn, I'll get the sodas----always fun to watch the faithful get all flustered when something negative is posted about the PGC
 

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There are no documented facts Eveland has been discredited but he will continue to spew his crap and certain people will continue to believe him or use his lies to further their cause, kinda like this thread. This is particularly funny: "To quote Mr. Eveland's article," This action is likely a violation of state law, and nullifies any credibility of the audit." Keep quoting Eveland from articles in the USP rag, it is entertaining.
 

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Just because the guy says something doesn't make it fact. Some guys are just so frustrated by not finding some kind of smoking gun that they'll grasp onto any sliver of hope. The 1998 group is old news to sportsmen who pay attention to what's actually going on. Funny how some overlook that uncle Charlie from their beloved usp was part of that group as well.
But since you want to legitimize far reaching associative links between people from decades ago, here's one using the same logic. Turkeykiller gave some folks at the PGC money to hunt bear when Gary Alt was running that program. Who in turn took over the deer program and slaughtered every last deer in Pa., and all the while Turkeykiller was still funding them. So Turkeykiller was directly related to there being no more deer.
Now that can all be documented... oh wait, it just was.
 

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Johns , are you saying the DCNR documents do not exist? Are you saying Mr. Williamson did not participate in both the the writing of HR plan and the audit of it later?

Shooter, are you also denying these facts? The 1998 plan is not old news. It was at the center of the HR reduction plan. You guys try to dismiss anything contrary to what you believe.
 

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Ah yes, so few straws to grasp for. People desperate to prove a non existent conspiracy exists will look to any nonsense to prove their point no matter how ludacris the premise, of course that is the MO of the USP and their few supporters. Here is a newsflash, this isn't news, it was out in the open a long time ago and discussed and shown to have no substance, Eveland is just regurgitating the same old nonsense he has puked up in the past. You would do better to actually open your mind to the truth than to follow the example of a third rate biologist with an axe to grind because the PGC didn't use him for the study. Anyone who cannot see Eveland's motives has three layers of duct tape over their eyes.
 

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Keep quoting Eveland from articles in the USP rag, it is entertaining.

mmmmmmm... I don't know John. I wouldn't call it a USP rag, unless you know somethiong I don't, which could very well be. Mulhollem presents differing sides, even in his editorials, and I really don't pick up on a slant one way or the other, but who knows. Honestly, I think it's one of the more rounded, and informative publications we have for PA. There just aren't that many to choose from anymore.
 

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I agree fleroo they seem to present both sides of arguments, but since they don't side with the gameless commision 100% of the time, the need to be denigrated as nothing more then a USP rag.
 

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Apparently it's "all new" for him? Another rehash of that which has gone unproven for the past 10 years, yet still excites those who wish to "believe"?
 

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Mulhollem presents differing sides, even in his editorials, and I really don't pick up on a slant one way or the other, but who knows.
Well, someone insists that I read his stuff from time to time and I have formed an opinion that he is A: Not always objective and B: He has printed material that is incorrect.

I'll leave it to others to decide if the latter was by design, or due to shoddy workmanship?

As an example of the "incorrect" part, one of his editorials last fall, was a blast directed at PFSC, which among other bits of misinformation, included the statement that they hadn't hired anyone to replace the former Executive Director, when she moved to Alabama.

PFSC did in fact hire a replacement within a month or so or her resignation, but that replacement later quit after approximately 4 months or so, to take a job with another (national) org.

He has had numerous jobs since then, which may indicate that he wasn't the right man for any of them?

No reason I can think of as to why Jeff wouldn't have known that to be the case? It was either the result of not knowing what he was talking about, or a deliberatly slanted swipe at the oldest sportsmen's org in PA?
 

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turkeykiller said:
Great commentary from John Eveland in response to PGC. He has documentaion (read FACTS ) from DCNR that tie the HR plan directly to the Green Certification Program for the sale of DCNR's lumber. He also states that a Scot Williamson was named to a group in 1998 started by the PGC to legitimize the deer reduction program. In Jan. 2000 he wrote a report for the group. I believe (FACT) it is the same Scot Williamson who was hired by Rep. David Levdansky to conduct the audit of the PGC's deer reduction plan. Now that's real justice. The man who helped write the plan is hired to audit it. To quote Mr. Eveland's article," This action is likely a violation of state law, and nullifies any credibility of the audit."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y_V7YIoxYQc
 

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Isn't or wasn't, Mulholem the publisher of the USP newspaper as well as PON?
 

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Glad you don't have an agenda Turkey......sorry Buckdemiser escaped


Actually if you would be so kind as to attach the article in question I would read it to see what the guy has to say.
 

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As an example of the "incorrect" part, one of his editorials last fall, was a blast directed at PFSC, which among other bits of misinformation, included the statement that they hadn't hired anyone to replace the former Executive Director, when she moved to Alabama.
I understand the consternation that may come up from members of the PFSC when such facts are not reported on correctly. A well-fashioned letter from the PFSC should have been in the order, explaining why his allegation were incorrect. My guess is a subsequent apology may have occurred... maybe not. That said, your average PON reader (me and most others that receive the rag), wouldn't pick up on such ill-written things since we aren't aware, or privied to the inner-workings of the PFSC. As I said, I can understand the frustration of PFSC members though.
 

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..but she passes the eye test
Let's have no more of that!


That said, your average PON reader (me and most others that receive the rag), wouldn't pick up on such ill-written things since we aren't aware, or privied to the inner-workings of the PFSC. As I said, I can understand the frustration of PFSC members though.
And no one will have any knowledge of what is actually going on as regards sportsmen's orgs and other outdoors issues, if "the press" cannot differentiate truth from fiction. Which was my point.

When the national media distorts the truth reporting on firearms and hunting, which they typically do, I lose faith in anything else they report on.

My assumption, is that since they cannot be bothered to report objectively about firearms and hunting, then the rest of what they report must also be "used oats"?

I don't know enough about international finance, treaties or the economy, to catch them in a lie. I do know a bit about firearms and hunting.
 

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My intention was not to discredit the reputation of PFSC member in question DennyF, and was meant as a sincere compliment, and good fortune to be blessed with very nice looks. As you seem to deem that as derogatory, I will certainly remove and offer apologies.
 
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