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Since CWD is caused by "prions", how does science combat those? It's not like bacteria or viruses which we have dealt with in other places. I've read that those prions can exist in the soil for lengthy periods of time. Is a prion even a living thing - or some kind of mutated protein?? Anyone know ??
A prion is a mutant protein and not a living organism.
Since it is not a living organism it can't be cured or killed. It can only be destructured and they are finding that to be nearly impossible to accomplish.
They have been studying prions in various TSE diseases since at least the 1950's, and maybe even earlier, but so far they have not found a cure for any TSE disease or even a solution to prevent them from eventually mutating and crossing species barriers.
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If you’re a meat hunter, why not kill a mature doe or two? They taste better and are far more wary than a dumb and immature 1.5 year old buck if you are yearning for the challenge. Let bucks mature. It makes the herd healthier and provides a higher challenge as they age. This whole “You can’t eat the horns.” tripe is ignorant in my opinion. If you are hunting to feed yourself, you went wrong at the start. The money invested initially and each year after to have a chance at killing a deer would buy you plenty of commercially raised venison. More than you’d eat in the same period most likely. Just saying.
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A year and a half old buck is the equivalent of an adolescent human male, not too hard to fool a teenager, but some guys must feel it an accomplishment.
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Oh so now we're going to beat up on legal hunters killing legal game. Count me out. I'm no elitist
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Just stirring the pot that's all they're doing........
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What's next Bear cubs?
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Antler restrictions were not put in place to create more "mature" bucks, nor were they put in place to create more "challenge", nor as a means to create more "trophy" bucks. They were put in place for one reason... to balance the male to female ratio and improve the breeding ecology of the herd, period.
Therefore the questions becomes, would removing AR for seniors and allowing them to kill more 1.5 bucks affect the goal of AR or not. If so, then removing restrictions for seniors should not be done. If not, then there is no management reason not to remove restriction for seniors.
Therefore the questions becomes, would removing AR for seniors and allowing them to kill more 1.5 bucks affect the goal of AR or not. If so, then removing restrictions for seniors should not be done. If not, then there is no management reason not to remove restriction for seniors.
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the buck to doe ratio they envisioned when this whole thing took effect never happened. we were suppose to shoot the big mature does and let the smaller antlerless deer go that would save all the button bucks, thats why they increased the "doe" seasons and instituted HR efforts. kill more doe let the bucks grow.
never happened because PA is mostly a "brown and down" state, we love our venison to much to let a deer walk away.
never happened because PA is mostly a "brown and down" state, we love our venison to much to let a deer walk away.
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....wait a second...
Then why was Gary tramping around with a small rack in one hand....and a wayyyy bigger rack rack in the other .. saying you want left hand or right hand?.....
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Then why was Gary tramping around with a small rack in one hand....and a wayyyy bigger rack rack in the other .. saying you want left hand or right hand?.....
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....what's next Bearded hens ?
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he was looking for bigger bucks and a balanced buck to doe ratio...he got the bigger bucks
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Not elitist at all, it is no challenge to kill a young buck when the majority of the hunting populatuon is passing them up, the woods is full of them, tip a bleat can in November and the spikes come running. Comparing bear cubs to young deer is ridiculous due to the sheer numbers of deer and season length, and the fact that cubs are legal for all to shoot not just some.
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I’m not a expert on Deer but this season I saw over 30 Does in Archery season and NO bucks. Not even a spike. I‘m in 1A and there are plenty of Doe tags to go around. I sure would like to see some of those dummy Bucks you keep saying are all over the woods.
I'd say the buck:doe ratio is way more even now. 1980s and 1990s you'd see 20 doe before you see a buck. Now I feel like it's more of a 50:50 shot at whether the deer walking by will be a buck or a doe. Time in the field has shown this as well as trail cameras and a backyard feeder.
Bears are also harder to judge. Especially if they are alone in the woods. A lot of hunters have never seen a bear in the woods. For most hunters, getting any bear is a once-in-a-lifetime thing. If a hunter sees a bear, in bear season, while hunting, and he has a tag, he's usually going to take the shot. He's not calmly looking over herds of bear, waiting for the right size to harvest.
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How many doe did you kill? I don't know how you hunt but there has to be buck there, the doe don't have fawns without them. Also, not every spot you see doe is a good buck stand either.
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Geez, Dick - thanks for the cheerful news! (kidding!) Thanks for clarifying what a prion is. I believe I read somewhere that they can exist in soil for - who knows? - how long. Is that correct??
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