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Woo Hoo. Good ole days for us old farts. 👍
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Older guy here -
I'm in agreement with young hunters being able to kill spikes, 3's, & forks - but if an older guy needs / wants meat - shoot a doe. I've seen many more bigger-racked bucks since AR than before. I commonly see more big 8-points, 9-points, and 10 points than I did before AR - and I've hunted hard for bucks since 1970. A 16" to 18" wide 8-point was rare before AR in most parts of the state. Handful, basket racks were usually the best you could hope for. With food sources being roughly the same in a given area each year, letting them get another year or two of age helps them mature to bigger bodies & bigger racks. Non-AG areas have seen the biggest improvements - AG areas always had much better food sources year-round. The bucks in the mountains around where I hunt have certainly gotten bigger since AR.

If AR goes away for older guys - I still won't shoot a smaller buck. And I agree with Pennsyborn in post #15 when he said the Rep. got a call or 3 from older constituents complaining about AR. He wants the votes, so he puts forth a bill to amend AR. IMO ....... with no research on my part - just from hearing guys talk about AR and bigger deer - I've NOT heard any hunters say they want AR to go away or change.
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What really hurt was before AR when they had buck and doe combo season, that created it's brown its down...that put a servere hurting on the deer herds.
I have family members who hunted in Bradford County back then. They hunted on farms where they had permission to hunt alongside the farmers. In a couple years, that group HAMMERED the local deer herd to the point that couldn't find deer in a couple following seasons on the local farms. No tracks in the snow - and the deer weren't flying. Lots of moaning after 2 or 3 years of hammering the deer. That group voluntarily gave up shooting does for a number of years until deer numbers started to come back. Brown-it's-down is a disaster - and that group of hunters & farmers proved it to themselves the hard way.
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What years were these? Back in the day, kids played cowboys and indians, made forts, had paper routes, rode their bikes to fishing holes, etc.... Pretty much using their imagination, make pretend. All of these things are not done much by today's youth,
True in many cases these days. We used to prowl the woods - any woods - just to explore and see what we could find. Forts, bikes, fishing with buddies, cowboys & Indians, Army men, looking for animal tracks, collecting nuts in season, etc. I never even hear of young people doing any of that stuff anymore. It's electronic games, smart-phones, sports, & having "rides" to everywhere.
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but I was chomping at the bit to hunt at 12, I don't think being able to hunt sooner would have lit any bigger fire.
Same here, Regular Joe.
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Most hunter/parents would rather their kid have success than them. Myself and all my friends as well, we'd rather go a season without getting a deer if it meant the kid had success. That's more rewarding to me than any deer I ever shot.
Bingo!! I've taken my share of deer - but seeing our sons get their deer is more satisfying. I went to extra, extra lengths to set up stands and cut shooting lanes for them to have a better chance at seeing deer & getting clean shots. They helped cut the shooting lanes too, making for more good times together in the preparations. Worth every minute!!
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..less scent?....not from the seniors I know.
We give up eating beans, cabbage, hard-boiled eggs, sauerkraut, etc. for deer season. That ripping sound you hear is velcro on my hunting boots ........
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Since CWD is caused by "prions", how does science combat those? It's not like bacteria or viruses which we have dealt with in other places. I've read that those prions can exist in the soil for lengthy periods of time. Is a prion even a living thing - or some kind of mutated protein?? Anyone know ??
A prion is a mutant protein and not a living organism.

Since it is not a living organism it can't be cured or killed. It can only be destructured and they are finding that to be nearly impossible to accomplish.

They have been studying prions in various TSE diseases since at least the 1950's, and maybe even earlier, but so far they have not found a cure for any TSE disease or even a solution to prevent them from eventually mutating and crossing species barriers.
Geez, Dick - thanks for the cheerful news! (kidding!) Thanks for clarifying what a prion is. I believe I read somewhere that they can exist in soil for - who knows? - how long. Is that correct??
you mentioned Brown and down mentality for Pa hunters. I have to agree with you. But yet the AR enthusiast on here say the majority of Pa hunters are in favor of AR. I really find that hard to believe.
I can only speak for the guys I've talked to - and heard in conversations in various places - talking about loving the bigger racks walking around since AR. I've heard, "I've shot lots of small bucks before, but I like having the chance to take a big one these days. Don't really want to shoot more little ones." (and similar comments) in a number of places.

Personally - I like the numbers of bigger, more mature bucks I've seen since AR went into effect.
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They just need to look at france to see what happens when you screw with peoples retirement, it would be way worse here.
I doubt it would be worse here. You know why I think that? Because on so many other items of REAL importance - people just shrug their shoulders and say, "Well I guess they're (our elected politicians) gonna do what they're gonna do." I've heard that sentence SOOOO many times over the years by friends, relatives, neighbors, and people within my hearing / earshot at church, in a grocery store, etc. Too many people seem to think we work for, and need to "obey" them - our elected officials. They work for US ...... not the other way around. That's why ALL Americans need to speak up, and instead of listening to what the politicians SAY - watch what they DO when they write legislation.

I was a director and secretary of a Trout Unlimited Chapter here in Pa. for some years. An elected state representative told our chapter members that on ANY BIG topic of concern in the state, his office might get 1 or 2 post cards or letters with opinions on the topic. That's why I say - most people just shrug their shoulders and roll over. WAAAAY too much apathy by the public. If we marched in the streets by the millions - they wouldn't dare touch Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid ------ or change the laws cutting our 401-k's & pensions. If they can give MULTI-BILLION dollar tax breaks to multi-millionaires and multi-billionaires ....... we SHOULD NEVER allow the politicians (of ANY party) to rip us off from what we've paid into all our working lives!!!!!!!!!! They work FOR US ---------- NOT the other way around.
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I can only report on what I've seen myself in the Pa. outdoors. Since AR, I've seen many more big bucks than I ever did years ago. Mature bucks to breed does. Our sons started out shooting spikes as their first deer - but neither of them wanted to shoot a spike again after seeing what other bigger, mature bucks were walking around. They both have NICE, big-racked bucks to their credit since AR went into effect.

Arguments can & will be had over who has the "right" to shoot spikes and such - but with as many years as I've been hunting deer, AR have made a big difference in the numbers of mature bucks I've seen. Taking the "meat-in-the-freezer" position out of it - I feel MUCH more confident of my chances of seeing a big buck these days than in the years prior to AR.
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Senior hunter here. Point count doesn't matter to me really. If a buck isn't looking "mature" to me (big body), and doesn't have a nice-sized rack (16" spread or better) then I'm not shooting. I've passed on some legal bucks for several years now, and I felt good about my decisions. I don't trash guys or young hunters who would shoot those legal bucks I've passed on - I just hope some of the ones I've passed on live to grow even bigger. I love the thought of a BIG gagger of a buck lurking in the woods somewhere.

If the ones I've passed on get really big ........ you guys stay away from them - 'cause they're MY bucks!!! 😁 😜:potstir:
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