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Changes proposed to Pennsylvania deer hunting rules

HARRISBURG, Pa. (WHTM) – A Pennsylvania lawmaker is proposing a change that would change rules for many of the state’s deer hunters. According to a memo to House members, Rep. David Mal…
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Woo Hoo. Good ole days for us old farts. 👍
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Article says killing older buck helps lower the spread of CWD yet advocates shooting younger buck, which is it?

If antlers are cobweb collectors stop shooting them, does actually give birth to more deer, so shoot more if you want less deer. Killing a buck leaves a doe behind to be bred and drop fawns. There will always be another buck to get the job done. If you don't understand this concept, take your wife out on lady's night and sit apart at the bar, it will become clear to you.
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I think we should allow seniors to keep every walleye at Pymatuning too, I mean who knows when it is their last fish right? It's not about growing big fish, everyone can still fish for a 15 inch plus fish if they choose to.
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bradford13 said:
This Topic is interesting. Last season was the last year for one of our hunters as a junior. Since he was 10 he has taken a buck every year that was a spike or forky. I asked him since he had a doe tag and a box of spikes to hold out for a decent raked buck, and he was cool with it. He passed up a spike opening morning that was legal to him and shot a nice 7 point in the afternoon. I asked if it was worth it and all he did was smile!
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That is how you mentor youth hunters. Time spent trumps the kill, and usually provides greater success anyway. A guy who has hunted "fitty years" ought to understand that without being given special treatment. If one argues it isn't about antler size, they can't argue against killing a doe. A hunting license is not a guarantee to kill a fork horn or a spike regardless of your age.
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Depends on the children a little, and a lot on the parents. I'm not against the MY Program, but I was chomping at the bit to hunt at 12, I don't think being able to hunt sooner would have lit any bigger fire.
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A year and a half old buck is the equivalent of an adolescent human male, not too hard to fool a teenager, but some guys must feel it an accomplishment.
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Not elitist at all, it is no challenge to kill a young buck when the majority of the hunting populatuon is passing them up, the woods is full of them, tip a bleat can in November and the spikes come running. Comparing bear cubs to young deer is ridiculous due to the sheer numbers of deer and season length, and the fact that cubs are legal for all to shoot not just some.
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Will Shaver said:
I’m not a expert on Deer but this season I saw over 30 Does in Archery season and NO bucks. Not even a spike. I‘m in 1A and there are plenty of Doe tags to go around. I sure would like to see some of those dummy Bucks you keep saying are all over the woods.
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How many doe did you kill? I don't know how you hunt but there has to be buck there, the doe don't have fawns without them. Also, not every spot you see doe is a good buck stand either.
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I don't need a trophy bear, I just want some bear meat. You can't eat the years of age on a bear, MEat, MEat, MEat. Same as shooting doe fawns or buttons, they are legal, bunch of elitists. I paid for my tag same as you...

Honestly, shoot all the bear you want, same as deer, their numbers grow, hunter numbers drop, we disagree.
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Cubs taste the best too.
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Guys think shooting a year and a half old buck is ok because they have a tag and want to fill it, a year and half old cub is taboo though, why the double standard?
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338/378wm said:
Would never shoot a 1.5 year old buck also. to each their own.
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Re-read the thread, your a sharp guy, you might understand.
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For a former law enforcement officer, maybe you aren't so sharp.
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A cub is legal to shoot, as is a yearling deer, bears stay with mama 2 years, in that time, a fork horn buck is deemed as killable by an old man by some, while a bear that has not lived past his second year is somehow taboo to kill. Still trying to understand why it is ok to raise trophy bear but slaughter all deer with a rack.
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Once the guts are out, all are judged by their size, why the disparity in saying "oh that poor little bear, but screw that buck, let him die?" In the end, size wins out everytime.
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The Pennsylvanian said:
Out of curiosity, what age group are those handful of fellas in? How many younger hunters do you know?
I know I fill quite a few doe tags every year, as do my cohorts.
Here's the thing, the same fellas that are not shooting does, are probably some of the same fellas that are attempting prevent others fro. Shooting does buying tags to burn em and so on.
Now taking out a single doe at any point in the season, or thereafter(redtag), has a significantly impact than shooting any single buck be a rack buck or a spike buck. Changing the AR will not positively affect the herd growth potential. That's the factor that's missing, while yes shooting any buck does reduce the herd by one buck, but the lagging metric of growth potential is unaffected as it was stated many times before, one buck will breed many doe, and shooting the "mostly" younger bucks (spikes and lesser horned buck) that typically won't breed very many does or atleast as many as older buck will.
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Exactly, there is always a willing male. Anyone who disagrees, take you significant other out on ladies night and sit separate from her, you will figure it out.
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The use of AR to keep buck numbers up to get the does bred was to shorten the window in which it happenned so fawning occurred all at once, to lessen loss to predation, as I understood it. Removing a buck rather than a doe still leave the potential for a net gain in populatuon once she drops fawns, regardless of when she is bred.

I am no SRA expert, but have read many others posts on here and I can see dealing with non hunters/harassment and gaining access to places that hold deer in the SRA as two issues that keep the program from further harvest as intended. I can't see how killing more buck would have a measureable impact, but that is just me.
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