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Before they play tomorrow, I figure I'd ask the year long Bucco thread participants. IF they lose tomorrow, was the season a success ? 98 wins, but once again, a 1 game "play-in" scenario for the third straight year. Losing at home the last 2 seasons. Is it a step forward... or at least heading the right direction..... or not ?
 

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We played in the toughest division in MLB. We have the second best record in all of baseball. I don't think you can call that anything but a success.

Anyone can lose on any given day. The Cubs are a strong team, losing to them would be nothing to be ashamed of, though disappointing.
 

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Honestly, I can't call it a success. A good year, yes. It is time they make the next step. I'm settling for the WC because of the division. They've already been here twice. IMO, it's NLCS (at least) or bust for them. They have the starting pitching to win a series against anybody. Just making it was good enough--in 2013. Moving backward is not acceptable, especially for a team with a small window of opportunity.
 

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Actually they won the wild card game two seasons ago.
I don't think this season would be considered a success if they lose tomorrow night.
 

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i still feel the wildcard should be best of 3...at least there is a wildcard game compaired to the good ole days...GO BUCS!
 

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We played in the toughest division in MLB. We have the second best record in all of baseball. I don't think you can call that anything but a success.

Anyone can lose on any given day. The Cubs are a strong team, losing to them would be nothing to be ashamed of, though disappointing.
I'm with Adam. Any other year, with 90+ wins, and they would probably be in the NLDS. The Bucs only have themselves to blame though. Beat the Reds and Brewers a couple more times each, and they have nothing to worry about.

You didn't ask for it, but I think the Bucs lose tomorrow. Arrieta is due for a bad game. I just don't think it'll be tomorrow. I hope I'm wrong. He's given up 18 hits and 4 runs in five games against the Bucs this season. Cutch has a .348 career average against Arrieta. There isn't another Pirate with a BA over .250. The Bucs team career BA is .176 overall. Normally, I'd think they are due, but not on this stage. Go Bucs!
 

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The season would be a relative success, but to take the next step, they must win the division.
 

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I too don't think that some magic wand will appear over PNC Park, wave, and magically have the Bucs solve Arrieta (sp ?).... blackout be darned.
I'm also not sure that I wouldn't prefer they lose like the did last year if they are going to lose it. You know, out of it early, and never really a threat to win it. that would be easier on the ticker than a nail-biter, 2-1 loss late in the game.

Welp, one thing's for sure. They gotta play it.
 

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I'm bet money on them losing if I had too but I still wouldn't take anything away from the season. All that matters in sports should be that you have a realistic chance to win a title at the end of each season. If that's happening than I dont know how a person could really complain all that much. It's not like the Pens that have been good the past 5 years but you know darn well there was a 0% chance they would hoist the cup. These Pirates are fill with hope entering the playoffs. Sure they'll probably lose to Arietta tonight in the stupid one game scenerio but nobody is going to be shocked if they actually win and go all the way. Thats when you know you're in a good situation. Enjoy it.
 

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I wouldn't say success but what is the step right before that? They won 98 games, 2nd best record in all of baseball, that is pretty impressive. They had a 19 game winner for the first time in forever, they had a +100 run differential, 2nd lowest team ERA, lowest bullpen ERA, by most standards this would be a success. However they stumbled in April (which is their norm), they couldn't win what should have been almost "gimme" games, and they couldn't hang in there with their own division. Yes it was by far the best division in baseball but not only was it home to the 3 best teams in MLB but it was also home to 2 of the worst and they couldn't do anything against the bad ones. The team, aside from Cutch and Cervelli, had an incredibly streaky lineup but heck even Cutch didn't turn is his best season. They made several pitchers hard luck losers because they couldn't scratch out runs (see: AJ Burnett's first half). And for some reason unknown to me.....maybe I am imagining this, every guy who was making his career start 1 or 2 or 3 ate them up. They couldn't beat the nobody's. Finally they've been here before, it is time to move on to next (yes they won 2 years ago) but this is a better and deeper team they need to move on for it to be a success.

So if they lose it tonight I will still say they had a great season and be grateful to be a fan with something to cheer for but I will be much happier if they can go a step further.
 

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If we were to lose, the season would still be a success that ended in disappointment. We've been making steady progress, so you've got to be happy with that.
 

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It's a failed season. There is no excuse. They are better than that garbage performance.

Great teams show up in the post season. They don't load the bases and leave them loaded in big games. The Cards series, they did, tonight, they did.
 

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It's a failed season. There is no excuse. They are better than that garbage performance.

Great teams show up in the post season. They don't load the bases and leave them loaded in big games. The Cards series, they did, tonight, they did.
I don't know for sure, but I'm guessing they were close to leading the league in runners stranded in scoring position
 

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Just looked it up, they were 4th this year, and second last year.....
 

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I would guarantee they led the post season teams in that number. As good as the staff was, you can't expect a miracle every game. AJ--9 innings, no runs, gets a no decision. How many games were like that this year? They may actually have to pay real money for a real cleanup guy. Think of the lineup then-Polanco,J Hay,Cutch, Real Clean Up, Marte, Walker, Cervelli, 8th and Pitcher.
 

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Think of the lineup then-Polanco,J Hay,Cutch, Real Clean Up, Marte, Walker, Cervelli, 8th and Pitcher.
Walker ? Walker ? Nutting is much too frugal to pay the guy. Give the guy a decent contract. What do you look for in a second baseman ? A guy that hits above .250, preferably .270'ish ? Decent pop. Switch hitter. Solid in the field. Good luck finding that on the market without paying the money.

Sign him... then get 2 solid starters.... not named Morton and especially, Locke.
 

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Think of the lineup then-Polanco,J Hay,Cutch, Real Clean Up, Marte, Walker, Cervelli, 8th and Pitcher.
Walker ? Walker ? Nutting is much too frugal to pay the guy. Give the guy a decent contract. What do you look for in a second baseman ? A guy that hits above .250, preferably .270'ish ? Decent pop. Switch hitter. Solid in the field. Good luck finding that on the market without paying the money.

Sign him... then get 2 solid starters.... not named Morton and especially, Locke.
I'd love to see Walker back, but it has to be the right price. And, I don't think Neil will agree to that. He's 30 with a so-so back issue. He's arbitration eligible. I can not see the Bucs offering him a qualifying offer in the $15-18 million range (nor should they at that price).

I have a feeling we'll see Pedro at first, JHa at second, Jordy at SS, and Kang (when healthy) at third. Alen Hanson may also be ready to come up, and could be a utility guy along with SeanRod. They need to fill AJ's spot in the rotation as well. It'll be an interesting winter.
 

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Sean Rodrigues is out. He signed with Tyson Productions Inc. yesterday. On a different note, he apparently apologized to the cooler ?

I believe J.A. Happ is up also. I know he was "rental", but they may want to make a play there. I wouldn't expect him to perform as well as he has here this year, but all indications are he's more solid/consistent than Morton, and CERTAINLY Locke. A boneyfide 3,4,5 ?

......... I'm afraid to open the Pens thread. 95 new replies since I last looked. Something tells me there was a "visitor" throughout the night.
 

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Sean Rodrigues is out. He signed with Tyson Productions Inc. yesterday. On a different note, he apparently apologized to the cooler ?

I believe J.A. Happ is up also. I know he was "rental", but they may want to make a play there. I wouldn't expect him to perform as well as he has here this year, but all indications are he's more solid/consistent than Morton, and CERTAINLY Locke. A boneyfide 3,4,5 ?

......... I'm afraid to open the Pens thread. 95 new replies since I last looked. Something tells me there was a "visitor" throughout the night.
Thankfully, the skies were clear last night. Not a dark cloud was found at all. It was one of the nicest nights on that thread in years.
 
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