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Have any of you heard about this yet ?

BREAKING NEWS: OBAMA ATF ANNOUNCES BACKDOOR AMMO BAN!
ConservativeDaily.com ^ | 31AUG2016 | Joe Otto

Posted on ý8ý/ý31ý/ý2016ý ý11ý:ý34ý:ý47ý ýPM by Jack Hydrazine
Fellow Conservative,
This is not a drill. The Obama administration just implemented a new regulatory change that has sent the entire firearms industry into a tailspin overnight.
A key ingredient necessary for making gunpowder has been re-classified as a high explosive, making it illegal for any company within the industry to transport or store it as they have for decades.
It all stems from how the ATF regulates a chemical compound known as nitrocellulose. For decades, the firearm industry has been allowed to store and transport wetted nitrocellulose without having to treat it as a high explosive. Manufacturers deliberately mix the chemical compound with water to make it less volatile.
Overnight, the ATF just completely changed its regulations, turning everyone in the ammunition industry into felons if they do business the way they have for decades.
The entire industry is now at a standstill. Without nitrocellulose, you can’t make smokeless gunpowder. Without smokeless powder, there’s no ammunition.
This is the real deal. If this regulation stays in place, it will take months for the industry to recover and send ammunition prices through the roof!
There’s nothing “sexy” about ATF regulations pertaining to wetted nitrocellulose. This isn’t going to get any coverage in the media. Start talking to the average American about nitrocellulose and other chemical compounds and their eyes will start to glaze over.
The chemistry isn’t really all that important. This new regulation has ground the entire domestic ammunition manufacturing industry to a halt.
The ATF gave the industry no notice. No grace period. This came down overnight. The entire supply chain for this crucial gunpowder component is now non-compliant.
This isn’t the first time that Obama has gone after ammunition components. Two years ago, the administration shut down the last remaining lead smelter in the United States.
Just a few weeks ago, the administration redefined the term “firearm manufacturer” to include gunsmiths, forcing thousands of small businesses to pay thousands of dollars a year in new fees to the State Department just to be allowed to stay in business.
Obama knows that any grandiose attempt at disarmament will fail. They tried to push gun control through Congress in 2013 and failed miserably. So, they are doing everything they can behind the scenes to attack the firearms industry and gun owners alike.
They just made it impossible to commercially produce gunpowder in the United States. Left unchecked, this regulation will leave gun shop shelves bare. If the industry is able to recover and become compliant, say goodbye to affordable ammunition.
You are receiving this email because you have stood with us against the anti-gun Obama administration in the past.
I am calling on your support one more time. Rise up and STOP this backdoor ammunition ban before it cripples the entire gun industry!
This is the real deal. If Obama isn’t stopped, it’s game over.
Your brother in arms,
Joe Otto Conservative Daily

 

[RacksnQuacks]

If it is true, which I do not doubt, we all figured it would come to something like this. They can't get the guns so the next best step is to make ammunition scarce.

 

[Retired_Rusty]

I bet Barry was the type of Kid that, when his Mother said "keep your hands out of the cookie jar", he pushed the jar on the floor, breaking it.

Then ate the cookies, telling his Mother he didn't put his hands in the jar.

 

[brubincam]

He gets a pen & paper in his hands and wrights any law he wants--are these laws even enforceable ""LEGAL""

 

[tpr25]

The ATF already changed their mind for now. This doesn't mean they won't try this again at a later date, but it looks dead for now.

ATF’s June 2016 Explosives Industry Newsletter included a brief discussion of Nitrocellulose,
and attempted to clarify the circumstances under which wetted Nitrocellulose is considered a
high explosive under 27 CFR, Part 555. As with all explosives, ATF’s
focus
is on the potential
public safety risks associated with materials that can be misused or diverted to unlawful
purposes. Subsequent contact from industry members who import, transport, store or employ
wetted Nitrocellulose in the production of ammunition, however, has brought to our attention
issues that were not fully addressed in the Newsletter and require further consultation and
consideration with the industry. Accordingly, ATF has and will conduct further industry
outreach concerning wetted Nitrocellulose. In the interim, previously authorized industry
practices concerning wetted Nitrocellulose will not be affected.

https://www.atf.gov/explosives/docs/news...dendum/download

 

[zimmerstutzen]

so I continue to use black powder weapons.

 

[RacksnQuacks]

The ATF already changed their mind for now. This doesn't mean they won't try this again at a later date, but it looks dead for now.

ATF’s June 2016 Explosives Industry Newsletter included a brief discussion of Nitrocellulose,
and attempted to clarify the circumstances under which wetted Nitrocellulose is considered a
high explosive under 27 CFR, Part 555. As with all explosives, ATF’s
focus
is on the potential
public safety risks associated with materials that can be misused or diverted to unlawful
purposes. Subsequent contact from industry members who import, transport, store or employ
wetted Nitrocellulose in the production of ammunition, however, has brought to our attention
issues that were not fully addressed in the Newsletter and require further consultation and
consideration with the industry. Accordingly, ATF has and will conduct further industry
outreach concerning wetted Nitrocellulose. In the interim, previously authorized industry
practices concerning wetted Nitrocellulose will not be affected.

https://www.atf.gov/explosives/docs/news...dendum/download

Glad to hear that.

 

[fall gobbler]

"<span style="font-style: italic">Subsequent contact from industry members who import, transport, store or employ
wetted Nitrocellulose in the production of ammunition, however, has brought to our attention
issues that were not fully addressed in the Newsletter and require further consultation and
consideration with the industry. Accordingly, ATF has and will conduct further industry
outreach concerning wetted Nitrocellulose."</span>

One would wonder why they didn't conduct ANY "Industry Outreach" BEFORE reclassification.

Sounds like they weren't expecting anyone to notice until it was too late. Call me a skeptic, lol.

 

[tpr25]

Yep, that was my first thought as well.

It looks like they tried pushing this through hoping no one would notice.

 

[bohunr]

from what i heard the industry basically told them that if they had to comply with this "new" regulation. it would take months for it to happen and they wouldnt be able to manufacture any ammo, including ammo for the military.

you can bet Hillary is planning all kinds of stuff like this.

i might have to buy a case for every gun i own.

 

[Bumblehick]

I said once many moons ago at some point they will classify reloading equipment, starting w/powder, as some sort of heinous felony.

They want to have mandatory background checks for ammo (as in CA), or make powder itself prohibited.

Anyone want to guess how they'd characterize a person who has a reloading press and materials to make thousands of rounds of ammo? They'll consider them the equivalent of a Jihadist bomb-making terrorist. All for owning a reloading press and some dies. I predict this will happen in my lifetime.

As in- blow away 3 innocent people in a gangbanger driveby with a stolen gun and with a rap sheet a mile long, out on the street in a few years. Middle class taxpaying white guy w/no record but with an "unregistered" reloading press? 10+ years mandatory.

BH

 

[TreeBeard]

Johnson / Weld - 2016

 

[tpr25]

The problem with Johnson is his open borders society. He is basically Hillary Clinton on that. His policy is making the system easier to enter the country legally.

Since you are on a hunting website, posting in a second amendment forum, I have to assume the second amendment means something to you.

Immigrants generally vote for Democrats, at a 70% rate. Democrats are no friend of second amendment and aren't shy about it.

As the Washington Post noted last year, mass immigration will eventually destroy the second amendment due to the shift in demographics.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/postevery...m=.f43d777b19ac

One cannot be for Gary Johnson and the 2nd amendment based on his Immigration policy of open borders for all. Voting trends of immigrants prove that.

Like the second amendment? Stop mass immigration.

 

[fall gobbler]

I said once many moons ago at some point they will classify reloading equipment, starting w/powder, as some sort of heinous felony.

They want to have mandatory background checks for ammo (as in CA), or make powder itself prohibited.

Anyone want to guess how they'd characterize a person who has a reloading press and materials to make thousands of rounds of ammo? They'll consider them the equivalent of a Jihadist bomb-making terrorist. All for owning a reloading press and some dies. I predict this will happen in my lifetime.

As in- blow away 3 innocent people in a gangbanger driveby with a stolen gun and with a rap sheet a mile long, out on the street in a few years. Middle class taxpaying white guy w/no record but with an "unregistered" reloading press? 10+ years mandatory.

BH

Sad to say, I fear you may be right.

A vote for Johnson is a half vote for Hillary.

 

[Fn Duff]

Johnson / Weld - 2016

I've supported the Libertarian party at times in the past, not this time though.
Did you listen to that idiot Weld and his stance on "assault weapons"?

It is clear from his comments that he has no knowledge of firearms or how they function.

It is clear that he has compromised any libertarian principals he may once have had and sold them out for shameless pandering.

Do we need any further evidence that smoking pot makes you stupid?

 

[hackmeister]

The Libertarians are laughable. The old joke is they're basically liberal republicans who like to smoke pot. In this case it's true. If every gun owner in America voted for Trump this election wouldn't even be close. The next president will likely appoint 3 supreme court justices. Do you want more Scallia and Thomas types or would you prefer Ginsburg and Sotomayor? Trump is for conceal carry reciprocity for all 50 states and has the NRA endorsement. That's more than enough for me.

 

[bohunr]

a good third party could be called something like
the American Constitution party.

candidates would strictly adhere to and enforce the constitution and the bill of rights along with each States Constitution.

put an end to lifetime appointments to the supreme court and senate and congressional offices (term limits)

all laws apply to EVERYONE. only U.S. citizens get assistance and help or LEGAL immigrants.

put Americans first on the list, take care of Americas problems first. and then we will look at the outside problems.

stand tall, stand for whats right, protect the lawful and crush the criminals. end all the wasteful spending in Government and stop pandering to special interests, make lobbying a federal felony.

....its a start.

 

[4x4dad]

There is a Constitutional Party . It's on the DMV list if your thinking of switching .

 

[fall gobbler]

candidates would strictly adhere to and enforce the constitution and the bill of rights along with each States Constitution.

You mean what each and every representative takes an OATH to do "first and foremost".

 

[bohunr]

yep, wouldn't that be great if they actually followed the oath they swore to.