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:nerd:I was just reading in the Pa Game news tha the game commission is considering banning .22 calibers for deer and bear hunting with anything less than a 6mm. I can understand not letting hunting for bears with a .22 caliber but not for deer. I saw a farmer culling deer with a 22-250 and it hammered them. I'm concerned because of the fact that mentored and jr hunters are affected by recoil and I dont want them afraid of the gun. Thots?
 

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I agree with the nothing less than .243 rule. I realize that deer are killed every year with .22 caliber rounds but you shouldn't prepare for the best case situation. You owe it to your quarry to a quick humane end. There are too many variables, to hope everything to works out when you pull the trigger. I know that most people know someone that's killed deer with a .22 but those are people that sit and wait for the perfect shot, not the nervous kid trying to get his deer.
 

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My son used a .223 the first several years for deer. A shaky kid can wing a deer with a 243 same as a 223.
Agreed with above. Just a backhand way to keep AR's in 5.56 from being used if they finally join almost every other state in allowing semi auto.
It's a shame that they just keep adding more rules and continue to complicate game laws. No wonder they have issues with hunting recruitment. So many rules, seasons, special reg's. A new hunter would be overwhelmed.
 

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I know someone who has killed them with .22 mags but the deer were pretty much underneath them at very close range. That just doesn't seem like enough bullet to put down big game.
 

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A friend of mine took his daughter hunting deer with a Rem. 700 .223 for 3 years, in that time she got 4 doe and 1 buck, one shot on each deer. The farthest shot was about 125 yards. I don't think it would be a good idea to stop hunting with .22 caliber rifles. Just my Opinion.
 

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How do you 'suddenly' consider making 223 illegal for deer and yet legalize use of air rifles for certain animals a few yrs back? Just seems inconsistent. I personally think animals deserve a caliber that kills quickly even with potential Hunter error... but then again, this clearly isn't really about 22/223 being an adequate round for deer.
 

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its a numb nut decision thats what it is. no fact finding just running by political standards. no real thought or spine for that decision. not a man among them.


i'll kill a deer just as dead with one shot from my .223 / 5.56 just like i can with my 30-06, if they want me to prove it, i will and can. they use that caliber to take deer and hogs in lots of states, but then again this is Pennsylvania and we are so different, cant be trusted with semi auto or small calibers...lol


cant use thermal vision or night vision because if we cant tell a man from a turkey or deer in the daytime, how are we suppose to know if its a fox, coyote or a 5' 10" tall man walking upright in the dark...:)
 

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Purely a political/feelings/agenda-based proposal with absolutely no basis in fact or real-world usage input.

I've eaten plenty of deer and hogs that met a quick end from a 223 round over the years.

That said, I'd never even consider one as a primary weapon for hunting bear... I kinda want at least 150grs, preferably 165gr+, headed toward them.
 

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Well, If they are thinking of reducing the S/A use because of a caliber restriction, let me tell ya! Raise your hand if you have a caliber larger then .224????


300 BLK here!


But I have a single shot in 300 BLK that's quieter, suppressed. I doubt my SBR would see the woods.
 

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:nerd:I was just reading in the Pa Game news tha the game commission is considering banning .22 calibers for deer and bear hunting with anything less than a 6mm. I can understand not letting hunting for bears with a .22 caliber but not for deer. I saw a farmer culling deer with a 22-250 and it hammered them. I'm concerned because of the fact that mentored and jr hunters are affected by recoil and I dont want them afraid of the gun. Thots?


I would suggest 300 BLK with 110 gr Barnes Tac-X or Gorilla Ammo in 110 gr. Gorilla uses Maker bullets and are devastating on game. I use them exclusively. Recoil is same as a 75 gr full powered 5.56 load!


My nephew uses a 300 BLK Ruger American Ranch and loves it. He is 9.
 

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I wonder if was easier to say no 22 cal. than it was to place restrictions on and enforce bullet construction? The 22 cal. would work fine with the right bullet but there is a lot of 22 cal. ammo out there for target and varmints that shouldn't be used on deer and guys that don't know the difference. I can shoot 58 gr Varmin-a-tor out of my 243 but would not think of using it for deer.
 

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It's all just "bottom of the barrel" thinking....

The "thought process" is as follows:

Authorize SA for deer and thousands upon thousands of hunters and "new" hunters will grab an AR-15 out of their safe, modify a magazine to only hold 5 rounds, mount a scope if it didn't already have one, drop a handful of 55gr FMJ in it and head into the woods, poke icepick holes in a few deer and never find them.

Flaws in this "thought process":

It assumes that these hunters will suddenly ignore the long-established prohibition on FMJ/requirement for "bullets designed to expand on impact".
It assumes that those choosing to hunt with an AR (or any semi-auto) would choose 223/5.56 as their caliber of choice (yes, it's most common, but many other caliber options exist and are gaining popularity annually.)
It belies the truth that .223 with responsible ammo selection is perfectly adequate for the task at hand, and many, many suitable ammo options are available.
It contradicts previous arguments that it (allowing SA) won't do anything to increase hunter numbers, and that only a very small percentage of existing hunters would opt to use one anyway.
It assumes those who do decide to opt for a SA (in 223/5.56) won't "do their homework" first.
It assumes those who do opt for a 223/5.56 (regardless of platform/action type) won't choose responsible/ethical shots.

Unintended consequences:
Those currently hunting effectively and responsibly with <6mm chamberings will be forced to use another rifle, possibly/probably at the cost of investing in a new rifle.
Exemptions likely will need to be drafted into the regs for the "hired guns" (sharpshooters) in contracted cullings.


I did briefly think that perhaps a minimum gr weight requirement might be more feasible, but quickly dismissed this, as a lot of slower twist rifles are out there in current use, and they don't shoot the heavier offerings well at all... (I've used 64gr-75gr with great success in my 1/7 twist rifles, but my buddy's old Ruger with a 1:12 won't shoot over 55gr... he takes plenty with it though, hornady soft points)
I think simply underscoring/emphasizing the existing ammo design requirements in the Digest, and repeating it on whatever announcements would follow authorizing SA, would suffice.
There'd also be some serious advertising opportunity (and revenue to be had) in placing ads for various caliber option uppers or rifles in the digest....
 

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I bought my son a .223 that matched his .308.I bought it so I could load hundreds of cheap rounds and he could practice offhand whenever he wanted.He wanted to try and kill a deer with it so I put together a stiff load with 55gr Barnes TTSX.Bewteen the two of us,we killed 4 deer with that load and none took a step.
 
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