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Hey folks. Don't you think it is time to press the PGC to allow night vision/thermal devices for hunting predators in Pa?

There was some discussion at a working group meeting. Bureau of LE researched their use in other states by reaching out to other game agencies. The concern on the part of our LE Bureau was poaching. After talking with other states, there was no incidence of higher poaching rates with NV/thermal devices. Yet, our Bureau head said he remains concerned about that here in Pa. Typical....

Anyways, the next push would have to be before the January 2020 meeting where new regulations are discussed for the upcoming year. With hunter number dropping overall, but predator hunting participation remaining rather steady, it makes way too much sense to allow these devices for the die hard predator hunters we do have in this state. Especially after our own LE Bureau could not find factual reasons to oppose them.

I plan on reaching out this coming fall to all of the commissioners expressing my support for them and my desire for them to consider making them legal electronic devices for predator hunting.

Who wants to join me? We need numbers and a concerted effort to get their attention.
 

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i would like to see that.



i used a hand held FLIR and a night vision scope for hogs in South Carolina. it was so dark you couldn't see your hand in front of your face back in the swamp. when i heard something i used the flir to look around. i finally saw two hogs headed for the feeder, turned on the scope and when i looked thru it everything was as clear as daytime...just green :)


i was so amazed at what i was seeing..i missed...LOL
 

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i used a hand held FLIR and a night vision scope for hogs in South Carolina.
I am headed back down next January. Picking up a Photon RT4.5X night vision with IR illuminator for this trip. Planing on bowhunting them at night. Should be quite interesting.

Hunting with Low County Hunting Lodge this time. Didn't you hunt with them?
 

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There's a House and Senate bill out there for PA... SB1153 / HB2648...and they seem to be making progress...

Thermal and NV is legal in NY, WV, OH for predator hunting...I had the opportunity to use it in NY there a few weeks ago. Unbelievable..Granted the scope and scanner we used was over $8000 each and the detection and ID range was beyond comprehension. It opened up a whole new process on positioning.

NY has a season and hunting firearms must be AWB compliant
I looked into OH...to me the license cost exceeds worth because I haven't looked into places to hunt yet..they are 24/7/365..all PA hunting firearms and accessories are legal there..

WV is too far away..but I have access to land there.

I had no reason to hunt there until I was invited to yote hunt with thermal...

I hadn't bought a NY license for a good 10 years..for I just turkey hunted up there mainly Sundays. And since PA now allows 2 birds..I tapered off.

I don't know why the"bureau" and anyone else continually throws the "poaching" card for PA on EVERY topic as a deterrent.... There are laws to deter poaching for ALL hunting..Is PA the poaching capital of the lower 48?...no. Does the PA Game Commish take poaching as a top priority..yes. Poaching is a concern from everyone and on everything. MANY more people FOLLOW the law than break the law..just like in everything else.
..Speed limit may be 70....I continually get passed..Do I call the PSP every time someone passes me going 80..no..but if they're driving erratically and I feel someone can be in danger I'll pass the vehicle info along, ....if I come across ANY suspected illegal hunting..Ill pass info EVERY time..
OH law states no coyote hunting 1/2 after or before sunset/sunrise during deer season...PA can work it to how they see fit as an improvement safety factor and poaching concern.
 

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Anybody know if the PGC has the regulatory authority over these devices or does law need to be changed first?
 

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..law needs to be changed first...those bill would give them the authority to include and regulate devices for predator hunting...
 

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Anybody know if the PGC has the regulatory authority over these devices or does law need to be changed first?
If Title 58 (Regulations) was changed as shown below, the devices you are discussing should be lawful:

Title 58 § 141.18. Permitted devices.
Notwithstanding the prohibitions in § 141.6 (relating to illegal devices), the following devices may be used to hunt or take wildlife:

[ Insert language here describing night vision / thermal devices for furbearers / other desired wildlife. ]
 

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If Title 58 (Regulations) was changed as shown below, the devices you are discussing should be lawful:

Title 58 § 141.18. Permitted devices.
Notwithstanding the prohibitions in § 141.6 (relating to illegal devices), the following devices may be used to hunt or take wildlife:

[ Insert language here describing night vision / thermal devices for furbearers / other desired wildlife. ]
That is what I thought. PGC has regulatory authority. I would prefer the PGC make the change, not he legislature if the PGC, has the authority to do so.
 

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I'd be all for NV/thermal...I already have NV, but I want to get thermal, but doesn't make sense to buy thermal if PA hunting laws are still behind in the times like a lot of PA hunting laws.
 

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The Pa. Predator Hunter Association has been lobbying law makers and PGC for Nigh Vision.
Maybe an officer of the PPHA can update their progress on getting a new bill presented/passed. It's a rough process.

Join the PPHA and help with their effort to change laws.
 

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I have mixed feelings on Night Vision. Not what you might expect though. I'd really like to use it, especially Thermal. I just hate the thought of the cost of buying more expensive gear. So I'm satisfied where we're at, but I know I'll be scraping for spending money as soon as it passes.:witless:
 

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Couldn’t find clarity on it but seen a post mentioning a Representative Wentling? is sponsoring a House Bill to remove Night Vision restriction. More information to come if it’s true I’m sure.
 

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yes...the original bill had decent movement. But since this is a new "session" ..it needs to basically start over..It actually was introduced back in I think September/October of 2018...in both the House and Senate..
 

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Some confusion exists on whether them PGC can allow them as a electronic device or whether legislation needs passed. Often times if the PGC is unwilling to allow something, the legislature over rides them and mandates it by law.

If the PGC has the authority to allow them, I would much prefer the PGC to make it happen. I do not like legislative involvement in regulations.
 

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Some confusion exists on whether them PGC can allow them as a electronic device or whether legislation needs passed. Often times if the PGC is unwilling to allow something, the legislature over rides them and mandates it by law.

If the PGC has the authority to allow them, I would much prefer the PGC to make it happen. I do not like legislative involvement in regulations.
I would agree with that. I see no reason not to use them for predators.

Well other than I can’t afford them!
 
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