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I bought (2) Loggy Bayou 20' to the seat ladder stands 2 years ago. To be honest, a little too tall for me b/c they start to feel a little shaky so I took a section out of each one and keep them in the 17' to 18' range. However, I like everything else about them including the seat that will fold up against the tree to give you extra room when standing or taking a shot. Just my opinion.
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