Thanks guys, you all told me what i really thought. It's funny we drove through the mud and water the first time maybe up to my fl.boards. 2nd time my gr.son had lost his flag so we were looking for it, just bought it that morning 15.00 i had to buy three. His broke off at the bolt i guess from his butt sliding around on seat, anyway going to look for it we came to bog again i thought that we went on center tracks. WRONG thank god they stopped they said they could see me sinking. smart kids. i can onlt guess what they were thinking. ha ha. they said bubbles were coming out from exhaust, but nice rooster tails. there must have been log or rock in there because all 4 wheels just kept shooting mud and water. oh well don't plan to do that again anytime soon thanks again for the help....later