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Where can a guy find one on the cheap?
Mosin Nagant 7.62x54R rifle
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What huntined said. I bought mine at the shop on 222. Very nice laminate stock very nice bore. Looks like it may never have seen battle. Mine still has its original serial number never restamped. Grabbed it for $169, a steal for a rare rifle And he sells the parts kit for $5. He had 30 or so when i was there in Aug. Keep us posted
Cabela's has an entire rack of their used gun section filled with Mosin's.
I would say, however, that if you want one, get to it. 3-4 years ago, these were $99 rifles. Now they are going at $150 and up, depending on who's selling/buying. Despite the reputation they have as "beaters" and cheap rifles, many other rifles had that status once upon a time and are now pricey collectible items. The M1903, M1917, and even the various British SMLE's come to mind. I am in my late 30's, and even I remember a time when SMLE's were sold out of Boscov's dept stores for $80 each. They had the same status then that the Mosin's have now. Good SMLE's now fetch several hundred dollars, easily, with some tiptoeing toward the 4-figure range for exemplary specimens.
It'll take Mosin's a long time to get there, but they are going up in price. There's a lot of them, so it will take longer, but it'll happen. As with any milsurp rifle, getting in when the getting is cheap is the best idea.
I had a Mosin and sold it for something else I wanted more. I don't regret it, but I have a lot of other milsurp rifles I value more. If you want an old military rifle and want to stay at a low cost, get a Mosin, and get it now.
I would say, however, that if you want one, get to it. 3-4 years ago, these were $99 rifles. Now they are going at $150 and up, depending on who's selling/buying. Despite the reputation they have as "beaters" and cheap rifles, many other rifles had that status once upon a time and are now pricey collectible items. The M1903, M1917, and even the various British SMLE's come to mind. I am in my late 30's, and even I remember a time when SMLE's were sold out of Boscov's dept stores for $80 each. They had the same status then that the Mosin's have now. Good SMLE's now fetch several hundred dollars, easily, with some tiptoeing toward the 4-figure range for exemplary specimens.
It'll take Mosin's a long time to get there, but they are going up in price. There's a lot of them, so it will take longer, but it'll happen. As with any milsurp rifle, getting in when the getting is cheap is the best idea.
I had a Mosin and sold it for something else I wanted more. I don't regret it, but I have a lot of other milsurp rifles I value more. If you want an old military rifle and want to stay at a low cost, get a Mosin, and get it now.
Buds have them for $139.00 with free shipping.
Also if you have a Dunham close They had them for about the same as Buds and charge $2.00 for the paper work.
http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/produ...BUDS+FAST+TRACK
Also if you have a Dunham close They had them for about the same as Buds and charge $2.00 for the paper work.
http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/produ...BUDS+FAST+TRACK
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I agree with TDD...I only paid $99 two years ago. Now you see them regularly priced at $179 and then they go on sale for $150.
I know this was many years ago, however back in the early 60s there was a chain store called Masons. I bought my first 303 British, for $30.00. They had wooden barrels full of them your choice, as well as other mil-surplus rifles, They had Japanese, and Italian rifles for $25.00.
While I hear Bud's has a good rep, I would shy away from a purchase like this online. Bud's does not inspect prior to shipping. By that I mean, you (and they) make no selection other than whoever reaches up on the shelf and grabs a random box. I have contacted them in the past about Winchester Model 70 Supergrades they've had for good prices. The problem is...some Supergrades have stunning wood, some have "blah" wood, and they are all the same price at Bud's. I didn't want the "blah" version! They were emphatic that there was no option to "hand select."
With a Mosin, I would not take "luck of the draw". These rifles were made to be abused, basically. That's what the Russian mindset in weapons design was....that anyone, literate or not, skilled with firearms or not, could make the thing shoot. It was not made to be elegant or classy, but to work. They were shot by folks who had no clue, really, what they were doing with firearms maintenance, and they shot corrosively primed ammo to boot.
When I bought mine at Cabela's a few years ago, I drove the gun counter guy nuts. I asked for one, inspected it and rejected it. He brought out another. And another. And another. I think I went through 6 or 7 until I found one without buggered up wood and with a strong looking bore, as well.
My persistence paid off, as the one I owned shot Tula steel-cased ammo into 2" groups at 100 off the bench, which is pretty decent. I'd bet handloads would have shrunk that a tad, but even so, that's not shabby for what the rifle is. They are not known to be tack drivers.
With a potential a savings of only $30-$50 by going online by vs. in a store, I'd personally get one that I could inspect in person, rather than luck of the draw, but that's just me.
With a Mosin, I would not take "luck of the draw". These rifles were made to be abused, basically. That's what the Russian mindset in weapons design was....that anyone, literate or not, skilled with firearms or not, could make the thing shoot. It was not made to be elegant or classy, but to work. They were shot by folks who had no clue, really, what they were doing with firearms maintenance, and they shot corrosively primed ammo to boot.
When I bought mine at Cabela's a few years ago, I drove the gun counter guy nuts. I asked for one, inspected it and rejected it. He brought out another. And another. And another. I think I went through 6 or 7 until I found one without buggered up wood and with a strong looking bore, as well.
My persistence paid off, as the one I owned shot Tula steel-cased ammo into 2" groups at 100 off the bench, which is pretty decent. I'd bet handloads would have shrunk that a tad, but even so, that's not shabby for what the rifle is. They are not known to be tack drivers.
With a potential a savings of only $30-$50 by going online by vs. in a store, I'd personally get one that I could inspect in person, rather than luck of the draw, but that's just me.
I will be the first to admit I know nothing about the Mosin Nagant rifle. But I believe I read that some shot a different caliber bullet. The article I read maintained that you should slug the bore prior to shooting, any truth to this. Or was this something in the very early rifles.
My military rifle interest is more in the way of the Mauser than anything else is these days and they too have tripled in price in just a few years.
I have seen chopped up Mausers going for more than many of the new entry level sporting rifles.
My military rifle interest is more in the way of the Mauser than anything else is these days and they too have tripled in price in just a few years.
I have seen chopped up Mausers going for more than many of the new entry level sporting rifles.
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Some Mosins were converted to 30/06 (Remington manufactured). The U.S. (Remington and Westinghouse) produced Mosins for Russia. I own several variants of the Mosin rifles and love shooting them, especially the M44 carbines. Several years ago, Aim Surplus was selling laminate m44's for $29 as a Memorial Day or Labor Day sale. I am kicking myself for only ordering one at that time (I have a C&R license). I just got a flyer from Southern Ohio Gun yesterday and that same gun is now selling for $299. Classic Arms had Mosins for $99 about 2-3 weeks ago but after you figure in shipping, transfer, etc., you can probably pick one up locally for about the same price (unless you have a C&R license).
Mosins shoot a larger than 30-cal projectile, as 30-cal is defined in the US. The difference, as I understood it, was that the Russians measured land diameter at 7.62, while we measured groove diameter at 7.62. I believe, but don't rely on this, that Mosin's use a 0.310-0.311 bullet.
I did a Wikipedia search I think the confusion comes in with the Finnish models. Wikipedia gives caliber from .308 up to .312.
I checked bullet diameter in three of my reloading manuals for the 762 X 54R.
My Hornady Manual for jacketed bullets .308 and .312.
The newer Lyman Manual with Jacketed bullets for the 762 X 54R states .311 and .312.
My old Lyman 45th addition only gives .308.
I checked bullet diameter in three of my reloading manuals for the 762 X 54R.
My Hornady Manual for jacketed bullets .308 and .312.
The newer Lyman Manual with Jacketed bullets for the 762 X 54R states .311 and .312.
My old Lyman 45th addition only gives .308.
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I read/heard once that the Russians/Soviets used fractionally larger projectiles than the US/Nato. I understood this was done so that in a pinch, the Soviet Block could use the western smaller sized projectiles in their weapons. Not sure if this worked for small arms or just crew served weapons.
The discussion got me thinking about my comment. I must have read/heard this before the advent of the internet. Did some quick research on the internet and it turns out this was largely a myth. A good story but no truth in reality.
The discussion got me thinking about my comment. I must have read/heard this before the advent of the internet. Did some quick research on the internet and it turns out this was largely a myth. A good story but no truth in reality.
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Check out this video. These guys have a few screws loose but it's interesting
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gfiXFyIbOZw
Part 2
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Part 2
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The Mosin Nagant is the best bang for your buck (no pun intended).
I carried mine in bear season this year.
Affordable to buy, shoot, reliable and fairly accurate.
I carried mine in bear season this year.
Affordable to buy, shoot, reliable and fairly accurate.
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I paid $79.99 for mine a couple of years ago at Dunhams. I remember when they were even less $$$. The true carbine use to be even cheaper, now the true carbine goes for a lot of money. The carbines use to be much cheaper than the rifle and now they are much more and Dunhams haven`t carried them for years.
Finns were going in the $350-$400 neighborhood about 3 years ago. I haven't been to a gun show lately to see what they are hawking them for, but I'd guess it's jumped up a bit.
They are very nice rifles. I've handled a few, and they are superb reworks of the Russian Mosin. Reportedly, they rival the Swiss and Swedish rifles for accuracy, too.
They are very nice rifles. I've handled a few, and they are superb reworks of the Russian Mosin. Reportedly, they rival the Swiss and Swedish rifles for accuracy, too.
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