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Since a 12 year old has no ID how do they track who it was sold to if it is not attached to a licensed hunter.
 

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He has a Social Security number and when the Mentored Youth permit is purchased, a CID number is assigned to the youth. There is no "attachment" to any other licensed hunters.
 

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As it was explained to me I need a mentoring permit (much like for furtakers, hunting with a pistol, shooting a doe, shooting a bear, shooting an elk, using a muzzle loader, using a bow, or lord knows what else we will need to pay extra fo next. All of these require that you have your basic back tag. Up until recently you could take a youth hunting if you had an adult backtag. Now like many of these other add-ons you are required to also have metor permit to take that youth under 12 hunting and let them shoot. A buck is one thing on the short list of what the youth can shoot. There is also restrictions that limit when the youth can hold the gun. Like every other aspect of a hunting license it has its own set of restrictions. I will not begin to prtend that I know all of the ins and outs because like every other basic concept in the hunting regulations this has a laudry list of conditions that can change at anytime and you will e required to be upto date will in the woods even if your local Game Warden does not. No I have not been ticketed, but I am getting frustrated. At the Sportsman show in Harrisburg last year I asked 4 different officers if it is legal to snare groundhogs. I got 4 different answers.
Take the time and Read the law for yourself.. do not go by what others SAY..when someone says something to me about hunting laws or any laws..I make them SHOW me in Writting/Print, so I can Read it for myself and Understand it!!

Straight out of the Comic Book
The Mentored Youth Hunting Program is designed to allow youngsters under 12 years of age to gain hunting experience and learn at an early age
about Pennsylvania’s rich hunting heritage. It gives unlicensed youngsters the opportunity to receive one-on-one, hands-on experience and training
in the field on the ethics, safety, responsibility, enjoyment and all other aspects of the hunting experience by persons who are dedicated to this
pursuit. There simply is no better way to introduce a young person to hunting than with the close supervision of an adult mentor. Youngsters
participating in this program will not need to attend a Hunter-Trapper Education class in order to be eligible.
General Information:
— A Mentor (licensed person 21 years or older) who is serving as a guide to a Mentored Youth (an unlicensed person no older than 11 years of
age accompanied by a mentor while engaged in hunting or related activities). Mentors must secure a valid, current hunting license or otherwise
qualify for a license and fee exemptions prior to engaging in any mentored youth hunting activities. Mentors also must obtain a permit for each
youngster they plan to take hunting, and each youngster will be issued his or her CID number. The permit will be assigned to the youngster, if you
will, so the mentor doesn’t have to be the same person.
The $1 (plus $1 issuing agent fee) permit is obtainable from any issuing agent through the
POS system and online at the Game Commission’s “The Outdoor Shop.” The Mentored Youth Hunting Program permit includes big game tags for
antlered deer and spring gobbler. Antlered deer or turkey harvests must be reported online or using harvest report cards found in this Digest.
— A Mentored Youth who participates in any hunting party must be listed on any required hunting roster and shall count as a member of the
hunting party for the purposes of maximum allowed numbers, and any regulations relating to big game animal hunting roster, and in parties hunting
small game.
Seasons & Bag Limits:
— A Mentored Youth can hunt only squirrels, groundhogs, coyotes, antlered only deer (youngsters are required to follow the same antler
restrictions as a junior license holder, which is one antler of three or more inches in length or one antler with at least two points) and turkeys
(spring season only) in any of their respective seasons, and must follow daily and field possession bag limits for each species (one antlered deer
and one bearded turkey per license year).
— A Mentored Youth is eligible to hunt during any special youth hunting seasons that apply to any eligible Mentored Youth hunt species.
(Youngsters under 12 cannot hunt during the Special Antlerless Firearms season in mid-October that is open to Junior License holders because
antlered deer are not legal game during that season and they cannot possess an antlerless license.)
Safety:
— A Mentored Youth must be stationary (the state or condition where a person is still, fixed in place or static, indicated by a cessation of all
forward, backward or lateral movement, whether in the standing, kneeling, sitting or prone position) and within arm’s reach of the Mentor at all
times while in possession of any lawful hunting device (any firearm or implement that is lawful to be possessed during the current season and used
to harvest the particular species) while engaged in hunting or related activities.
— A Mentor may not accompany more than one youngster (Mentored Youth or Licensed Junior Hunter) at any given time while engaged in
hunting or related activities.
— A Mentor and Mentored Youth may not collectively possess more than one lawful hunting device at any given time while engaged in hunting
or related activities. Mentor must carry the gun in transit to and from the spot.
— A Mentor and Mentored Youth must be in compliance with fluorescent orange requirements for the species they are hunting.
Liability:
— A Mentor is responsible and accountable for all actions of the Mentored Youth occurring while engaged in hunting or related activities. A
Mentor who causes or allows a Mentored Youth to engage in an unlawful act shall be punishable as the principal offender.
As for the ID part your saying....
H2Ohunter said:
Since a 12 year old has no ID how do they track who it was sold to if it is not attached to a licensed hunter.
EVERY School Now gives out Photo IDs, of which are Legal for kids to use to prove who they are to get a hunting license or a Mentored license!


And final...

you will e required to be upto date will in the woods even if your local Game Warden does not
Your NOT going to get anything from 1 of them in PA! We do not nor NEVER had any of those Critters working in PA!
 

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Here is a good one for ya. While tagging my 10 yr olds deer he says "dad you got my middle name wrong, thats Matts middle name" {my 13 yr. old} When filling out the info back in june at Lic. buying time I screwed up. Will that ever be a problem.See I told ya I was slow.
 

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Wish the guy I bought my license from last year knew what he was telling me. I guess the $.70 paid to the store selling it doesn't mean they need to know what they are selling. I asked several other folks and no one disputed the info as I had heard it. Reminds me of the change last year to the first day of doe in some areas. It still comes back to the basic point. We have made a simple pleasure very complex because an agency thinks they know what to do with Data that no one asked them to collect. In the process they continue to discourage those that are trying to keep up and follow the rules. In the end they have a hard core group and the group that did not follow the rules to begin with.

As for the video game costing more not sure what you include with hunting costs, but it has far more accesories then video games. Hunting license plus doe and bear tags, Fishing license plus trout stamp (I'm being kind here on optional Tags) Gun (shot gun for small game plus rifle for deer/bear) Don't forget the orange vest and hat. I assume you already own the warm cloths and live on a family farm so you do not need the camp, 4 Wheel Drive truck, gas money, Tree stand, or any of that stuff. So I guess it may be cheaper to go hunting then play a video game. I know people the tie up more in one hunting trip then a teen could spend on three game systems plus the games.
 

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I guess you should just quit hunting and play video games if they are "worth" more to you.....

again, the .70 desnt go to the store it goes to the PALS vendor in Tennesee, $1 goes to the PGC and $1 goes to the store where it was sold.....

and if you are not getting answers from "several otherfolks" call the PGC.... the MODS have posted the region numbers a thousand times on these boards and they will get you the correct answer.

This data that they are getting is going to go a long way in seeing what our youth hunters are doing, where they are from and what they hunt and if they continue on through the ranks to the ripe old age of 12 or 16 or 50! Its a good thing. the PGC is not discouraging anyone by issuing these permits...its helping and not discouraging.
 

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I find it amazing that people come on here ranting and raving about things and not one thing they say is correct.
 

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If you want to point out what everyone knows. The SS# makes sense. Not evey school has student ID's. They do not issue them in my son's school.

And as for the Game Warden.
The guys with the badge that carry the guns and represent the Game Commision and where at the Sportsman show could not give me a straight answer about whether or not it is legal to snare a groundhog. If one of them would have said I do not know let me get you that info I would have respected that, but instead I was given four different answers by four different officers. Sorry if I did not get the title right, but since I could not get a clear answer and non of them could show me anything in writing (but all acted like they knew)You may pardon me for showing the respect of finding out what they like to be called. If the guy that is being paid to inforce the law does not know it how do you expect anyone else too.
 

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I would expect the guy on the message board to be wrong. What about the 4 paid officers at a show promoting whta supports their paycheck giving false info to the general public. Even if one was right the other 3 are wrong.
One told me yes, but you need a furtaker license. Since I know of no market for groundhog fur I asked another. I was told they are a rodent and can be trapped with no license. I that they could only be trapped with that same equipment as a racoon. Lastly I was told that no the could not be trapped by any means other then an exterminator. These are the paid professional. Sorry I had bad info and was confussed on the permit, but know I have the info. Glad I put it out there along with what I was told. I do not however accept the reasons or comments given by all of the posters. Sorry my experience with the Game Commision has not been as great as yours. If they can not answer a question on Trapping or point me to the answer, I have a hard time believing other crap they put out about so called management of our resources.
 

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H2Ohunter said:
If you want to point out what everyone knows. The SS# makes sense. Not evey school has student ID's. They do not issue them in my son's school.

And as for the Game Warden.
The guys with the badge that carry the guns and represent the Game Commision and where at the Sportsman show could not give me a straight answer about whether or not it is legal to snare a groundhog. If one of them would have said I do not know let me get you that info I would have respected that, but instead I was given four different answers by four different officers. Sorry if I did not get the title right, but since I could not get a clear answer and non of them could show me anything in writing (but all acted like they knew)You may pardon me for showing the respect of finding out what they like to be called. If the guy that is being paid to inforce the law does not know it how do you expect anyone else too.
Go to the School....Ask them Directly for the Student ID....When they take school Pictures each year, they make up a Student ID card with name of School, Students name and normally a Student ID Number....All schools have been doing this for years.. when I was still in School back in 1986 they were doing it then!
Some schools Do not give the School IDs out unless asked for them!

I find it Very hard to believe your son's school does not have student ID Forms when it is a Normal pratice in not just Pennsylvania!

As for your Snareing Question...you can find your answer directly in the Comic Book!
Only 1 type of Critter is legal to Snare in PA!
 

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Still waiting for an answer snaring groundhogs is allowed or where I can find the info.

If it is such a staight forward answer in the "Comic Book" Why did 75% of the enforcement officers not know the answer?
 

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I cant speak for the harrisburg show I wasnt there, I find it hard to believe that 4 Officers all told you different things. The Law book is right there behind the counter.

The Mentored program is well explained here, news releases and your book.

As far as the $40,000 vehicle what do you suppose we use? and again thats not what the State pays for them. The Office of Administration buys all the vehicles on contract the PGC doesnt dictate other than type of vehicle.
 

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The comic book is fine. If I want to find a merchant that is trying to sell me stuff I can not even legally hunt with in PA. Stop trying to entertain me and provide the information straight up. The first book I got back in 83 had the info in a clean usable way that could be carried with you anywhere. It was usable and understandable. What you get now is a sales flyer.
 

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H2Ohunter said:
Still waiting for an answer snaring groundhogs is allowed or where I can find the info.

If it is such a staight forward answer in the "Comic Book" Why did 75% of the enforcement officers not know the answer?
Now wait a second , if you asked 4 officers and 75% were wrong (which I doubt) then that means 25% were right and you got your answer, so why do you still need an answer to a answered question?
 

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H2Ohunter said:
The comic book is fine. If I want to find a merchant that is trying to sell me stuff I can not even legally hunt with in PA. Stop trying to entertain me and provide the information straight up. The first book I got back in 83 had the info in a clean usable way that could be carried with you anywhere. It was usable and understandable. What you get now is a sales flyer.
Do you have any idea why the format was changed ? and what benefits to wildlife it had?
 
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