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I think that is about as simple of a kit you are going to find in a quality gun. The only other option would be to go with it in the white. Keep us updated.
 

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I think the Kibler kits are exceptional, and would make a top quality rifle. And, I'm glad they are only made right handed!
 

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I think the Kibler kits are exceptional, and would make a top quality rifle. And, I'm glad they are only made right handed!
Now Berks.....one can never have too many smokers even you seasoned lefty shooters !! 😀Kidding aside sure looks like a nice kit!!
 

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These are top notch "kits". Very little fitting/ finishing required. You won't be disappointed. I WISH THEY MADE A LEFTY!
 

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Loggy, I think my wife would react unfavorably if I were to bring the makings of another flintlock in the house. I do drool a bit when I look over a Kibler kit advertisement. However,one of these would compliment your PA Mountain Rifle extremely well, and it would be a fine way for you to add another hobby.

My son, Ken, remembers you telling him on our wild boar hunt about hobbies. It was something about two hobbies need to be your limit at any one time if you intend to give them your full attention and enjoyment. It remains a wise bit of advice.

Be well, my friend. Berks
 

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I bought one of the firsts.

Kibler has since refined them even more which is incredible.


At this point, if you open a jar of finish and put it on the box and toss it down a flight of steps, it'll be put together and finished at the bottom.



No joke...it's very user friendly. Before his latest refinements, I had like 4 hours TOPS to a functional rifle. That was taking my time. Barrel was draw filed and liner installed in that time...I didn't clean up the brass or lock..just what needed done to properly finish inletting. Most parts, once cleaned up, fit perfectly.


They also now ship with his new lock....


I have it as well....it's incredible. I can't wait to put it in a rifle. It's extremely smooth. Sparks like a champ. Crazy well balanced..doesn't jar abruptly and seems like flint life will be excellent.


The finished rifle is very refined. Enough wood to carve and finish but nothing extra. Mine is in 58cal. Nice and balanced. Seems to point and handle well. The architecture and lines are great. Very nice looking and feeling rifle.


I need to clean up the brass and carve and finish mine soon...she needs to go-to someone that will enjoy her.
 

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Loggy, I think my wife would react unfavorably if I were to bring the makings of another flintlock in the house. I do drool a bit when I look over a Kibler kit advertisement. However,one of these would compliment your PA Mountain Rifle extremely well, and it would be a fine way for you to add another hobby.

My son, Ken, remembers you telling him on our wild boar hunt about hobbies. It was something about two hobbies need to be your limit at any one time if you intend to give them your full attention and enjoyment. It remains a wise bit of advice.

Be well, my friend. Berks
Berks......don't get me thinkin like you did back in 2008 at Dixon's Gunbuilder's Show which led me to Brad Emig, Gunbuilder which led me to my 54 Cal PA Mountain Rifle!!:smile2: I remember your Son Ken very well & some of our discussions. He's a fine young man coupled with a monster wild boar killer taking all honors in downing that HUGE boar!!

This Kibler Kit really has caught my eye!!:smile2:
 

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Loggy, if your eye does get caught, we'll all look forward to photos as a Kibler kit becomes an flintlock heirloom! :smile2::wink2:

Seriously, I feel anyone remotely interested in putting together a rifle for the first time, should consider Kibler's kits as a wonderful place to start. And, the hours needed to complete the project wouldn't be the hours and hours required to complete a rifle from a box full of parts, and a barrel inletted stock. Berks
 

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Sure does. Pin holes are drilled in the stock. Not sure if he's drilling the lugs now or not...I am pretty certain he is drilling and taping his locks now.

Sight dovetails are cut. Pin holes for all the mounts are drilled. Again not sure the brass mounts are drilled...I don't think he's drilling the metal just because there is always a little variation in castings and wood differs based on conditions. 1/16" drill bit will take care of those. Clamp the part in it's position and send the big through the hole in the wood.


The dovetails and such might need a touch with a file. Usually once the castings are cleaned up, everything went right into place.


I was blown away at how well everything fit. To CNC wood inlets that well is incredible.


About the most "work" is cleaning the brass castings and draw filing the barrel ....but it's all easy. The castings are pretty dang clean...just need polished up as the surface isnt smooth. Not a rough sand casting but the surface needs cleaned up.

The barrel is a Rice and pretty clean...I have a good file that makes draw filing very quick and easy but you could likely get by with a sanding block and paper depending on what kinda finish you want.
 

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I built a Jim Kibler rifle several years ago and I had a terrific experience from beginning to end. The support from him was outstanding and the gun shoots very well.
Met Jim at Dixons Gun Makers few years ago; class all the way and a great product.
Would build another without any reservations.
 

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Does the barrel have the dovetails cut in to attach to the stock?
Yes it does and the locks are now drilled and tapped, and as said before Jim Kibler is very helpful and will answer all your question.
The touch hole is drilled and tapped also ,but you will install the White Lighting your self.You can get it with or without a patch box ,the cost is the same, he has Walnut, cherry and 3 grades of Maple.
 
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About a 1.5yrs ago I built my Leman rifle from parts obtained from Track of the Wolf. I started with a "pre-shaped" stock.....which is not the same as a "pre-inletted" stock. The pre-shaped stocks are just close to the shape of the gun. All inletting and thinning of the wood must be done. I'm quite certain I have over 400 hours in the gun build. The parts cost me about $500 over a three year time period.

So.....now you have to ask yourself, can I save over 300 hours of my time putting together a really quality.....precise inletted rifle that will not only shoot exceptionally.....but look like a professional built.....or put in the 300 hours....and still have all of your "build mistakes" in the final product.

I would buy the Kibler hands down. Now....don't get me wrong....I love the rifle that I built. It hangs over my fireplace and looks wonderful. But ask yourself what your time is worth.....lets see......$500\300 = $1.67\hr. Yeah....my time is worth more than that.

FWIW

Oh...and IMHO get the fancy grade maple for the stock. My rifle is semi-fancy and it looks nice.....but for a Kibler I'd go with the 100% fancy.





 
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