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I have been reading threads on shooting deer and bullets for hunting here in Pa.
I keep reading "I ONLY USE PREMIUM GRADE BULLETS."
My God deer are only big rabbits,why do you need an armor piercing bullet to kill one?
Man.i can kill one with a stick with a small piece of steel and feathers on it!
Yet i read about guys using great big magnum rifles and and so called premium solid core bullets going a million feet a second to kill one!
This,to me,would be equal to going rabbit hunting and using 3 1/2 inch magnum 12 gauge to kill a rabbit!
Just maybe,if some guys would just learn how to shoot and pick out a good shot,they could just use regular bullets that are meant for the deer.
 

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Totally agree. I gave up hunting for deer 6 years ago. Always used an over the counter round for a 243 and it never let me down. I took pride in the ability to place the shot in the kill zone. If I didn't have the shot the deer got a pass. A lowly 22 will kill just as well as the super duper new round if placed correctly.
 

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Folks, let's please keep comments pertinent to the topic that the OP introduced. Whether you agree or disagree, keep your posts courteous and respectful.
 

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Honestly, as far as killing, the bullet itself can be just about any modern big game bullet and get the job done on deer. I shoot cup-n-core Sierra GameKings and ProHunters primarily these days will no ill effects on game up to and including elk. However, some of the guys I know like premium loads because they simply tend to shoot better/more accurately in their gun of choice. I can totally understand that.

I do have friends that take big magnums out West to shoot mule deer and antelope in the same places I hunt, and I admit to shaking my head a bit. They never take shots much past 200 yards and end up with brutally damaged meat way too often. I use a .243 with 100 gr. GakeKing softpoints on those same hunts and do just fine on the same game. I can't recall a single deer or antelope in past 4 years that has run further than 20 yards when hit by that .243, and the majority went absolutely nowhere. But, if it's a large-caliber gun that makes others feel comfortable, it's hard to argue against it. Confidence is a very real part of the hunting equation.
 

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I'm still not clear on why it matters what someone else uses?




I have the following line of reasoning--- I will use a quality bullet and shoot a deer through the tops of the shoulders every chance I get. Why? Because that shot, with a bullet that will penetrate deep, has dropped every deer I've shot that way on the spot with no drama.

And my logic is this- if I lose some shoulder meat and get the deer, I lose far less meat than if I have a bullet that doesn't penetrate due to failure or whatever, and I lose the entire deer.

But all that said, who the heck cares what I shoot? Or what willyp shoots? Or what (insert member name here) shoots? It just doesn't matter, really.

To me, our primary objective is a clean, ethical kill. Not impressing others with how expensive our gear is, nor impressing others with how cheaply we can kill deer. It's to put that animal down cleanly and quickly and without undue suffering.

There's a lot of ways to skin that cat. I do it one way, but others have other methods. It's all good.
 

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Premium bullets will hold together and perform better than lesser quality bullets. That's a given.

If a bullet fails the animal suffers. I do not want any animal to suffer. I want a instant kill. I know it is not always possible but that is my goal.

Bullets can fail. I have seen them blow up on skin and bone and fail to penetrate. I personally had it happen on two deer. The animals suffered until I could dispatch them. I have not experienced a bullet failure since I started using premium bullets.

I wonder how many "I hit it good but it ran away" incidents can be attributed to bullet failure after a good hit. We'll never know but I suspect a lot.
 

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i think it has to do with those 30 minute outdoor channel infomercials and all the marketing hype. all that does is complicate things.

now folks need the latest and greatest gadgets, gizmos, every high dollar item out there. they can't kill anything with out it.

our Fathers and Grandfathers didn't have all this stuff when they hunted and those meat poles at camp always hung heavy with venison. taken by guys carrying 30-30's and wearing woolrich plaid outfits.

very simple, OH..and they had skills that hunters lack today. If i keep going i know i'll change the direction of this post into the choice of gadgets and gizmos.

wllyP and TDD are right, if it works for you...GOOD

just dont get caught up in all that marketing hype and buy stuff you dont need. any bullet out there in the proper caliber will kill the deer.

a low price savage rifle will kill a deer as fast as a high dollar custom made gun with a zeiss scope.

have fun, stay safe, enjoy the seasons.
 

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I say shoot whatever you want to shoot, bullet, caliber, etc., and enjoy hunting. Nothing good comes from finger pointing. To each their own.
 

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"I ONLY USE PREMIUM GRADE BULLETS."
My God deer are only big rabbits,why do you need an armor piercing bullet to kill one?
Willy, you need to research what a premium grade bullet really is. They're not armor piercing FMJ at all. They all mushroom on contact while maintaining core mass.

That's all I got to say. Have a great day.
 

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The proper bullet is more important than excessive speed and big magnum calibers. I would recommend a medium caliber rifle with a bullet that will penetrate while expanding, not fragmenting while retaining 80 percent plus of its original weight, and exhaust most of it energy while in the animal.

Bullet types have approved greatly over the years. Some of the better deer bullets are made of more than one material such as the lead tip/core bullets with a copper covering and bonded together. They provide good penetration and weight retention.

The good news there are many out there at reasonable cost.
 

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That's what great about sportsman, prefix any product with the word Premium, new, improved, or ultimate and they will make you a millionaire.

Hunters have been killing deer way before the hunting shows started telling us unless we paid $59.95 for a box of shells we were wasting our time.
 

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I know for a fact that when the early flintlock hunters in Pennsylvania were buying their round balls at Micky Fins emporium they bought the one listed premium. Even the cheap balls were know to kill deer, bear, elk, wabbits and other table fare.
 

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You would be surprised sometimes at how hard they can be to kill, especially if you send an arrow or bullet into the wrong part of it's body. I'd rather someone go with overkill than underkill.
 

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This whole issue has been brought about by the TV shows and internet clips of people harvesting game. They all want a bang-flop! I, myself, like venison and will put a bullet thru the heart/lung area. I've seen many times the results of shoulder or high hits with rifle ammo and it isn't pretty! These TV pros donate what meat remains! It is impossible for them to eat all the meat from all the game they kill in a season.
 

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If you reload,the additional cost of using better bullets is minimal and the terminal performance is more consistent.

I take a lot of high shoulder shots because that shots breaks the spine as it runs between the scapulas.resulting in a deer that drops on the spot.There isn't much meat on shoulders to worry about wasting.
 

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Asajoe1 said:
This whole issue has been brought about by the TV shows and internet clips of people harvesting game. They all want a bang-flop! I, myself, like venison and will put a bullet thru the heart/lung area. I've seen many times the results of shoulder or high hits with rifle ammo and it isn't pretty! These TV pros donate what meat remains! It is impossible for them to eat all the meat from all the game they kill in a season.
I'm not buying that at all. I used to use Sierra Game Kings in my 257....results on deer were less than stellar. Almost always the jacket would separate from the lead, shotgun-pattern-like-fragmenting, jacket just under near-side hide and bits of lead throughout the wound channel with a small chunk of lead often under the off-side hide....seldom was there an exit. I switched back to Core-Lokts and Hornady's that never gave me those problems. Were those deer still dead? Sure! BUT, I was never comfortable with those Sierra's knowing if I was a little off my mark it was shoulder blade or heavier bone and then what? I made that switch when Partitions were about the only 'premium' bullet in existence and 'bonded' bullets didn't exist either. It's not TV shows, it's performance.
 

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Uncle Nicky said:
You would be surprised sometimes at how hard they can be to kill, especially if you send an arrow or bullet into the wrong part of it's body. I'd rather someone go with overkill than underkill.
That is a shooting issue, not an ammo issue.
 
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