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50 yards, dead bird, but could be improved on. How much time and money to fine tune things????? View attachment 210004
This is just my opinion, but if we're looking to make these little .410s more than a 40 yard gun, I think we're making a big mistake. I'd also like to see the "whole" pattern when I pattern a load/choke combo. Those little targets just don't show the whole picture. The standard used to be the percentage of pattern in a 30 inch circle at 40 yards.
 

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This is just my opinion, but if we're looking to make these little .410s more than a 40 yard gun, I think we're making a big mistake. I'd also like to see the "whole" pattern when I pattern a load/choke combo. Those little targets just don't show the whole picture. The standard used to be the percentage of pattern in a 30 inch circle at 40 yards.
Never said I was trying to make it a 50, 60 or 70 yard gun, just want to test things and see what all the hype is about. 40 yards is plenty for me and 30 is better, that's why we call them in. 30" circle for shooting at a head neck size target?
At $6.90 to $8.40 per shot, I'm not going to do much more "playing" :LOL:
 

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Never said I was trying to make it a 50, 60 or 70 yard gun, just want to test things and see what all the hype is about. 40 yards is plenty for me and 30 is better, that's why we call them in. 30" circle for shooting at a head neck size target?
At $6.90 to $8.40 per shot, I'm not going to do much more "playing" :LOL:
Not direct specifically to you, just a general thought.
The 30" @ 40 yards statement is just the standard for judging chokes. IMHO, I still want to see the whole pattern.
In full truthfulness, I've been hunting turkeys a long time and never got into chasing that 10" circle deal, so there's that.
 

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..Thats for shooting game birds on the fly....not shooting a turkey head. I've been turkey hunting a long time also...and I never drew a 30" circle for 40 yards target and would never determine the outcome of shot combo on 30 @40. I shoot at the head....not the body(30" circle @ 40), so that 10" concentrated pattern is what really counts no matter what range.
 

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..Thats for shooting game birds on the fly....not shooting a turkey head. I've been turkey hunting a long time also...and I never drew a 30" circle for 40 yards target and would never determine the outcome of shot combo on 30 @40. I shoot at the head....not the body(30" circle @ 40), so that 10" concentrated pattern is what really counts no matter what range.
Maybe so. Mark Bansner used to guarantee a 90%+ pattern in a 30" circle at 40 yards.
I shoot at the head also, but usually at around 20 yards. I never wanted a pattern so tight that I could miss when they were that close. It worked out extremely good for me.
 

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I have also hunted turkeys for a "few" years and probably 90% have been shot with a flintlock. I have always patterned for that 10"circle for turkey and patterned with a 24" to 30" circle for other game looking for the best combo for the intended game being hunted and varying loads to accomplish what was needed. Killing not wounding game is the goal, and whatever gives us that should be what we strive to accomplish.
 

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Mr. Bansner was the pioneer for turkey guns and chokes. My dad had a friend we turkey hunted with, who had him do a barrel/gun for him, back in the mid 80's. I may have been 12/13 and was fascinated by it compared to my 30" barreled gun LOL
Don't think back in the 80s he'd ever thought a .410 would be killing turkeys at 40 yards with patterns better than 1980 something 12 gauges.
 

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I have also hunted turkeys for a "few" years and probably 90% have been shot with a flintlock. I have always patterned for that 10"circle for turkey and patterned with a 24" to 30" circle for other game looking for the best combo for the intended game being hunted and varying loads to accomplish what was needed. Killing not wounding game is the goal, and whatever gives us that should be what we strive to accomplish.
I'm just curious to when the 10" circle (@40) became a thing. I don't remember it when I started really hunting turkeys hard.
 

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I'm just curious to when the 10" circle (@40) became a thing. I don't remember it when I started really hunting turkeys hard.
I can鈥檛 say about others, but for myself being limited to 鈥渁mmo鈥 for the ML鈥檚, I concentrated on the kill zone for turkey, the head and neck. That is where I wanted my pattern to be concentrated. Small game and water fowl, different story for me. I used to shoot a mix of 4,6 and 7 1/2 shot for turkey. #6 for small game and a mix of steel for ducks and geese.
 

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I'm just curious to when the 10" circle (@40) became a thing. I don't remember it when I started really hunting turkeys hard.
....late 80s, I started using a 8.5x11 sheet of copy paper with a duct tape " T " on it.
 
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