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I have a nice plot going around 1.2 acres. the farmer that farms our farm will have his disks in to plant soybean this year? my question is have him disk up my plot or just frost seed. my plot is about 4 years old and does ok. i sprayed and frost seeded before, but i know i am almost ready to start fresh. it would be nice with the big machinery to help out in breaking up the ground instead of a little disk pulled by my quad. also not sure if it would be kind of late when he can get his equipment of the ground to plant his soybean?? start fresh or frost seed. weads are somewhat managed good ph on soil also?? heading to disney tomorrow so will not be able to reply until sunday>> oh ya teh frost seeding would be nicer on my time that i have right now with the little ones and family but is it worth it? thanks
 

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It's tough to tell you what to do. If it's not very weedy and grasses are under control, then maybe frost seeding is the way to go.

I'm assuming any discing would be done in June, which is a tough time to seed clover. Buddy of mine seeded clover in June with buckwheat as the nurse crop and it did VERY well because the BW shaded the clover during the drought conditions that followed.

Give it a frost seeding and see how it pans out.
 

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So, I was going to post something similar today, is now the time to frost seed? Particularly, what are the best conditions/forecast for frost seeding? With daytime highs around 60 and lows in the upper 20's, is that the right condition?
 

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It could be done now. Again, I have spread clover seed into thatch in mid May, with no soil disturbance, with good results.
 

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It would seem to me that frost seeding into an established stand is a waste of money. I would only frost seed if the stand was spotty due to drought or excessive weed infestation that was aggressively managed in the fall, leaving gaps.
 

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Not sure I agree with that. Some guys frost seed their plots every other year with a little seed and their plots stay pretty nice longer.
 

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I wouldn't frost seed WI Imperial clover. It contains something like 30% berseem clover which is an annual and it will not grow when frost seeded. Stick with regular ladino, the deer won't care. Trust me.
 

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I'd probablu stick with a generic Ladino, but why wouldn't the berseem work? You think it'll frost kill?
 

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Yes, annual clovers don't take frost well. I read this a few years ago when I was researching frost seeding. No sense losing 30% of your seed of an already expensive brand.
 

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Never cared much for the commercial blends because they do contain "filler" seeds, like berseem. However, those clovers are the faster starters and give the plot a jump and also help protect the perennial ladinos.

Another thing to note, last time I used Imperial, about 1/3 of the weight of the bag was the limestone seed coating. Very little of the seed is perennial seed.

I thought they do recommend it for frost seeding tho. You may be right about the berseem tho, I never heard that.
 

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I am in the same situation with a five year old clover plot. Where can I purchase Ladino seed? Is there any other type of clover that I should consider to add to the mix with Ladino.

Thanks in advance
 

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Get me some Chris
....and throw some chicory into the mix. I plan on making the "camp plot" a periennel plot this year and would like to overseed the existing periennel plots soon.

With all the other things going on up at the land my time to plant and plant again is limited, so only keeping two small plots on the Annual rotation list.

E-mail coming...
I can't wait for the green of spring!!!
 

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would reinvigorate the plot using the diluted round up approach
Home, now you have to explain that
.. my ears perked up and I am sure I am not alone.

Would it do the same on a clover/chicory plot?
 

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RB, I know this has been cover here before.

What Home means is to spray your plot with 1/2 qt per acre of Roundup in the spring. In your area, might be second to third week of May.

This can only be done with a plot that is 3 years old or older. Of course, I did mine at 2 years old and it worked.

Anyway, the RU will kill the grasses coming up, and the clover will appear to die as well. Within 6 weeks, you'll have your clover plot back, and no grasses.

The chicory might/probably will die, not 100% on that.

I have done this once to one of my clover plots and it worked well. Once the RU is sprayed, if you like, you can overseed a bit with clover, if the plot was pretty thin to begin with.

This method is actually covered in the brochure that comes with Roundup or the generic forms.
 

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Can you convert a 1/2 qt per acre...to quanity per 15 gallon tank?
 

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If you have an acre, put a 1/2 qt of RU in the tank and fill it.
 

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I have done this with clover and trefoil lost some of the clover.But the trefoil comes back better then before and I just overseed with some clover when everything looks dead.Remember though it will look like you lost everything for about 6 weeks.The trefoil will come back better and the clover you reseeded will fill in the bare spots.
 
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